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TMaroney: Admission and Advancement Through Sex

Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,,alt.magick.tantra,alt.religion.sexuality,talk.religion.newage,alt.consciousness.mysticism,alt.magick.order,alt.religion.wicca,alt.pagan.magick
Subject: TMaroney: Admission and Advancement Through Sex
Date: 20 Dec 1997 15:49:14 -0800

[from Tim Maroney ]

>She came back, we thought because of her spiritual
>aspiration, but she corrected us that she just wanted to fuck Frater
>Zain and make him happy, she passed because she understand Liber AL.
>Since this time though, Soror Lazuli has embraced Thelema and become a
>Neophyte of the A.'.A.'. Her failure and desire to please her mate
>caused her to study Liber AL and eventually she became of US.

I have mottaboy filtered out, but I came across this in a quote and I 
just couldn't let it go past unnoted as an abuse.

This is a kind of abuse I haven't seen discussed much with respect to 
Thelema or witchcraft, which has similar issues. People immediately 
recognize this kind of thing as a problem in a system with a tradition of 
celibacy like Christianity or Buddhism, but when it comes to system that 
has a pro-sexual agenda near the core of its system the issues become 
more complex. First, a lot of the people probably have had sex with each 
other so any given case where it seems someone may have traded sex for 
advancement is less suspect because the background noise is so high. 
Still, if you look at all the people of one gender* in positions of power 
and every one of them has been involved with the leader, then you might 
start to wonder if there were a problem.

Of course, when you have the leader going around actively propositioning 
many of the members of the group then you have a classic sexual 
harassment situation, and someone needs to have a long talk with the 
leader. This is true even though proposition need carry in a sex-positive 
group none of the stigma it does in Christian society. It is necessary 
for people in leadership positions to avoid even the appearance of abuse 
of that position in sexually predatory ways. There is an implicit threat 
of retribution in a proposition from a person in power and while I would 
not say it is never appropriate, I would expect such a non-abusive case 
to be a personal matter and to pass through careful stages of mutual 

The final complication I will note is the attractiveness of power. I feel 
that if someone is genuinely attracted to someone else for whatever 
reason then that is a good thing, but a situation with power-over could 
foster the unconscious corruption of a set of natural attractions into a 
situation of the type previously mentioned, in which there was an 
assumption that the leadership would have access to the membership.

* Women in Thelemic groups, but men in some witchcraft groups. There are 
groups with different gender relations to whom these remarks might also 
sometimes apply.

Tim Maroney

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