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Beg. Enoch

To: alt.magick
From: Re O'Stat 
Subject: Re: Beg. Enoch
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:05:09 GMT

In article <>, (Gnome d Plume) wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:57:32 -0700, "Tom" 
> wrote:
> >"BhP"  wrote in message
> >
> >> catherine yronwode  wrote
> >> > >
> >> > > (BhP) wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >In fact, at its
> >> > > >roots, the Jewish symbolism is more like your pagan system than
> >> > > >either are like the Christian system.
> >> >
> >> > At its roots, Judaism is more like a "Pagan system" than like "the
> >> > Christian system." Go back and read some history of Judaism!
> >>
> >> I did NOT write "Judaism", as anyone can see above.  I wrote "the
> >> Jewish symbolism", and if you didn't snip my comment out of context,
> >> you'd see that I was referring to the symbolism of the Kabbalah.  The
> >> pagan and Christian "systems" I mentioned also were references to the
> >> Kabbalah, not the religions themselves.
> >
> >Cat is only in this because you are arguing with Gnome, who, like her, is
> >peddling occult shit to credulous rubes.  She is uninterested in the facts
> >of the matter or what you're trying to say.
> >
> >Welcome to the alt.magick Chamber of Commerce.
> >
> ******Tom:
In fact the Christians think anything pleasurable
> is inherently "evil." 

No. They think that anything pleasurable which does not exist within 
their strict confines of belief and action is sinful.

>  Evil to the Jews is the breaking of God's Law; the most important of
> which are the Ten Commandments. 

No. There are over 350 laws in Judaism which orthodox Jews are expected 
to follow. The Decalogue are no more and no less important than all the 
rest. Breaking them is not necessarily evil, although it may be a sin.

For Jews people who are not Jewish, to be considered good people an have 
a place in heaven (Jews are not Christian exclusivists) there are only 
the seven Noachic laws which should be followed.

The seven laws are:
1) prohibition of idol worship (however, this may mean you should 
abstain from meat sacrificed to idols which could certainly change the 
2)  prohibition of eating meat with blood still in it
3) prohibition of adultery
4) prohibition of blasphemy
5) prohibition of robbery
6) prohibition of murder
7) the necessity to act justly

I would point out that by this tradition, non-Jews are not required to 
worship the Jewish God, they are only required not to blaspheme. This 
could be interepreted as acting respectfully to all religions

As Dion Fortune wrote: There is no room for authority in occultism.

Beware those who set themselves up as such.


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