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'Real' vs. 'Fake' Grimoires

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.magick.goetia,alt.christnet.demonology
From: ny'rl'th't'p 
Subject: 'Real' vs. 'Fake' Grimoires (was necronomicon)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 11:03:04 GMT (Andralphus):
> (Paul) wrote in message news:<>...
>> has anyone tried the necronomicon spellbook by simon?

anyone trying it is too ambiguous. who they are and what they do more
important to know in the long run. you're just asking for Top 10s.

> The Simon Necronomicon takes a bunch of stuff from classical ritual
> magick, dumbs it down, and paints a veneer of Sumerian mythology over
> it.

some problem with doing this? lots of Llewellyn books are dumber and
less valuable. why cap on the Simonomicon? you have a beef with him?

> ... why bother with a thrown-together literary hoax 

is it one? is it your impression that the Simonomicon pretends to be
something that it is not? why, if so?

> when you can go to the original?  


> Try "Aleister Crowley's Illustrated Goetia" or "The Enochian World 
> of Aleister Crowley" by Lon Milo Duquette.  Or "The Book of 
> Solomon's Magick" by C.R. Runyon.

not quite the puzzle or entertainment.

> The Goetic and Enochian systems have evolved, been tested, 

the Goetia reads like a third-grader constructed its puny directory
from amongst 10-15 mix-n-match 'characters' of 'demons'. it lacks
creativity beyond the wild imagination of the author at points
where describing the spirits. it is not my impression that this
text is more than an amusement amongst magicians where it fails to
become a mechanism by which the clever psycho-analyst attempts to
get in touch with their deep mind (something I consider altogether
different than summoning demons, though their character may prove
similar at times).

> and successfully worked by generations of magicians.  
> They work, and they work well.  

how can you tell? success stories? to what end? are there people
winning lotteries after having consulted with treasure-finding
goetic demons? not of which I am aware.

> The Simonomicon was slapped together haphazardly in order
> to sell books, and not well thought out as a system for working.

why were the Goetic documents created? can you be so sure of their
original intent and method?

>> does it have any practical value? do the spells work?
> If you don't know any better, yes.

toward what end? as has been said in these magical forms, if you
believe that intention or faith is all that is truly required,
then how will you determine an "authoritative" grimoire?? in 
fact, there is no such thing outside what the magician finds so
convincing, given the make-believe-and-it-turns-real paradigm.


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