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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.tarot,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick,alt.divination From: nagasivaSubject: Alliette's Tarot Card Attributions (+Marsaille and Mathers!) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:56:07 GMT Orig-To: tarotl@yahoogroups.com (some fun shuffling of contents occurred) Comparing Primary Occult Tarotsters: Alliette (w/ Marseille) & Mathers ========================================================================== ETTEILLA DECK'S ASTROLOGY CARDS (W/ MARSEILLE & GD NAME & KEY IMAGE) Jean-Baptiste Alliette (aka 'Alliette d'Etteilla') (b. 1738 - d. 1791) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) ZODIAC -- (Alliette/1788), Marseille (1700's), & Mathers 1887) ------- | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ETTEILLA ------------------------- | - MARSEILLE - | GOLDEN DAWN ---- KEY | ## SIGN ------ CARD NAME (REVERSE) | - CORRELATE - | SIGN CARD ---- IMAGE | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 ARIES Etteilla (Male Q.) Pope | Hierophant [--] 02 TAURUS Enlightenment (Fire) Sun | Sun [XIX] 03 GEMINI Discussion (Water) Moon | Moon [XVIII] 04 CANCER Desolation (Air) Star | Star [XVII] 05 LEO Travel (Earth) World | Universe [XXI] 06 VIRGO Night (Day) Empress | Empress [--] 07 LIBRA Support (Protection) Emperor | Emperor [--] 08 SCORPIO Etteilla (Female Q.) Popess | High Priestess [--] 09 SAGITTARIUS Justice (Jurist) Justice | Justice [XI (rev.!)] 10 CAPRICORN Temperance (Priest) Temperance | Temperance [XIV] 11 AQUARIUS Strength (Monarch) Fortitude | Strength [VIII] 12 PISCES Prudence (The People) Hanged Man | Hanged Man [--] | 13 [--] Marriage Love | Lovers [--] 14 [--] Major Force Devil | Devil [XV] 15 [--] Illness Mountebank | Magician [--] 16 [--] Judgement Judgement | Judgement [XX] 17 [--] Mortality Death | Death [--] 18 [--] Traitor Hermit | Hermit [XI] 19 [--] Misery (Jail) Tower/M.-Dieu | Tower [--] 20 [--] Fortune Wheel of For. | Wheel of Fort. [X] 21 [--] Dissension Chariot | Chariot [--] | 0 [--] Folly Fool | Fool [0] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Etteilla' deck, from "Maniere de se recreer avec un jeu de cartes nomees tarots", or "How to Have Fun With a Pack of Cards Called Tarot", by J.-B. Alliette (also known as Etteilla), Amsterdam and Paris: Segault & Legras, 1785; J. Revak: http://villarevak.org/astro/app_a.html, and "A History of the Occult Tarot: 1870-1970", Decker/Dummett, Duckworth, 2002; pp. 97-99, "A Wicked Pack of Cards-The Origins of the Occult Tarot", by T. Depaulis, R. Decker, & M. Dummett, pub.: St. Martin's Press, 1996; pages 86 and 92. ========================================================================= Alliette's attributions at the beginning and the end of his deck may have been supplements, rather than occult facets as in the ceremonialist decks as the Golden Dawn had from Mackenzie. he refers to the Zodiacal signs as being used for the construction of natal charts. the Planets (that are on Coin Number cards, along with Part of Fortune and 2 Lunar Nodes) he calls "Little Gods of Egypt". the Etteilla Tarot is sequentially numbered, from #1 to #78, comprising the pages of the Book of Thoth, trump imagery being his attempt to pattern the whole after the expression of Antoine Court de Gebelin as follows: trump 1 = 'Chaos' (might be called 'the darkness over the waters'), while trumps 2 through 8 are the Judeochristian Myth of the Seven Day Creation, concluding the zodiacally-attributed cards with the four Cardinal Virtues (i.e. Justice, Temperance, Fortitude, and Prudence). ------------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPARABLE ZODIACAL CARD NAMES AND IMAGES 3 of 4 Cardinal Virtues. their zodiacal signs differ markedly, due to the method employed for assigning them, and card positions within the trumps. ALLIETTE JUSTICE 9 SAGITTARIUS MATHERS JUSTICE XI LIBRA (post-GD-SWITCH, was VIII) ALLIETTE TEMPERANCE 10 CAPRICORN MATHERS TEMPERANCE XIV AQUARIUS ALLIETTE FORTITUDE 11 AQUARIUS MATHERS STRENGTH VIII LEO (post-GD-SWITCH, was XI) 'Prudence', Alliette's next card, is the 4th Cardinal Virtue. Prudence is sometimes associated with the Hermit trump (Mathers' IX) in contrast with this, and curiously so, Alliette places the *image* of the Hermit on card 18 and gives it the name 'Traitor', A COMMON NAME NAME FOR THE HANGED MAN (especially in *gaming* Tarot!): ALLIETTE: Prudence 12 PISCES MATHERS: Hanged Man XII WATER GAMING TAROT: Traitor XII cards from 9 to 67 are given no attributions, but additional astrological attributes (Planetary) are provided for card 68, 10 of Coins, through 77, Ace of Coins, ending the sequence with *attributeless* card 78 ('Folly'). ========================================================================= 2) PLANETS --------------------------------------------------------- ETTEILLA ---------------------------------------- MATHERS --- Coins Planetary -------------- Planetary Attribution ### Rank Attribution ------------------ Faces (/Decans) --------------------------------------------------------- 68 10 Part of Fortune Mercury in Virgo 69 9 South Node Venus in Virgo 70 8 North Node Sun in Virgo 71 7 Saturn Saturn in Taurus 72 6 Jupiter Moon in Taurus 73 5 Mars Mercury in Taurus 74 4 Moon Sun in Capricorn 75 3 Venus Mars in Capricorn 76 2 Mercury Jupiter in Capricorn 77 ACE Sun Root of Powers of Earth (78 -- -- 'FOLLY' -- ) --------------------------------------------------------- Ibid., 23/11/2003, http://villarevak.org/astro/app_b.html and "A History of the Occult Tarot: 1870-1970", by Ronald Decker and Michael Dummett, Duckworth, in 2002; pp. 97-8. ========================================================================== both men used astrological components for their card attributions, Mathers finding a way of using all the cards in the mix, whilst the earlier author attributed the Part of Fortune, the Lunar Nodes (North and South), and the seven visible Planets (in astronomical order) to Earth Numbers, Ten-->Ace. Mathers called the Aces "Roots of the Powers of the Elements," attributing astrological Faces to his Small Cards from Two through Ten in all 4 suits. Mathers might have extracted these attributions (which he called 'Decans') from Agrippa's "Three Books of Occult Philosophy". Agrippa wasn't familiar with all forms of astrology, apparently, and he identified Faces as Decans within his work in several places. Tyson makes it plain, in his edition of the work, that Agrippa was somewhat unfamiliar with astrology and may have obtained Face information from the Picatrix: p. 360, Three Books of Occult Philosophy, by H.C. Agrippa, tr. James Freake, ed. Donald Tyson, p. 360. ========================================================================== END -- nagasiva 2003/12/3 -- corrections welcomed.
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