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To: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi From: tyagi@arkaotika.abyss.com (tyaginator) Subject: JSmith: Liber C vel AGAPE Date: 27 Mar 1999 00:54:57 -0800 [from thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org: Jeffrey Smith] As an outsider, let me give an outsider's take. I have seen copies of Liber C and the equivalent documents for the other upper degrees, presumably pirated and presumably with varying degrees of inaccuracy in the transcriptions. I would recommend the following: 1) Translate them from Crowleyan into English :) That is, present the documents in plain English, or with the Victorianisms and coy symbolisms rewritten. Possibly the best alternative is to keep the text as written by Crowley, and couple it with the straightforward modern rendition, so that those who make use of the document can benefit fully from the symbolism when it serves a purpose other than saluting prudery. 2) Allow them to circulate publicly--given that other texts are available which state the same things in their own way, it makes sense for the OTO to let people know exactly what and why it does what it says it does. Attach to the texts a notice that more detailed teachings are given only to properly initiated persons of the required degree, because the OTO wishes to ensure that the would be adept has the needed grounding (Man of Earth?) and couplings (Lovers?)--using terms in the electrical engineering sense *only* here :)--but no one is prohibited from trying to work it out no their own. As it stands, keeping Liber C as the ultimate secret of the OTO is somewhat silly. Those who would join OTO for the sake of learning the sexual yoga will probably never get near the Hermit level, and if they do only after considerable maturation that makes the original objective seem trivial. (At least, one hopes this is so.) And that newly initiated member of the IX would undoubtely echo Crowley's derision of the anticlimactic secrets revealed to newly made GD Neophytes. In Crowley's days the "Secret" was hidden by prudery and ignorance, and keeping it secret made sense. Those reasons no longer apply; any person with enough computer and or library resources can figure it out--if not the version presented in Liber C, then other versions from other sources--and use it, whether or not the OTO would see s/he is prepared. Bill, I suppose by mentioning privacy in this context you mean that the Liber C is a private document of a private organization, and there is as much reason to keep it private as any other documents (like the bank statements, for instance). I would suggest that there is no need for privacy. As best I can tell, much of the OTO teachings are oral--or at least communicated informally between members, not put to paper as part of some grand curriculum. And the most important part of the OTO work has nothing to do with teaching, and everything to do with individuals developing themselves--for which any and all documents have at best an auxiliary purpose. Be well. Jeffrey Smith f901030k@bc.seflin.org His daughter went through the River singing, but none could understand what she said. --John Bunyan, The Pilgrim's Progress, Second Part EOF -- tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com; http://www.abyss.com/tokus (emailed replies may be posted); cc me your replies see also http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatspells.html
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