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To: alt.magick,alt.magick.order From: heidrick@well.sf.ca.us (Bill Heidrick) Subject: Re: Typhonian vs. Caliphate OTO Date: 13 Oct 1995 15:53:57 GMT gavin.butstraen@student.kuleuven.ac.be (butstraen) writes: >Can anyone explain to me the REAL differences between Typhonian >and Caliphate OTO? I am more intersted in the way these orgs. >function and in people's experiences with them, so no history >lectures please. The "Caliphate OTO" is the OTO and the Typhonian OTO is a Kenneth Grant fan club. If you get a response on behalf of the Typhonian's, you should reasonably expect to find a reversal of this expression. Here are some of the basic differences, but please carry any further questions on this point to alt.magick.order. The OTO (sometimes called the "Caliphate OTO") is a continuation of the OTO formerly led by Aleister Crowley, chartered and recognized as such by the US Federal Courts. It continues the structure of the OTO both in terms of the administration and the Crowley initiation rituals. It owns Crowley's copyrights and the trademarks of OTO. It continues the form of the Order as established under the Reuss constitution of 1917 e.v. Membership has continued from Crowley's time, with officers and members carried over from Agape Lodge (opened in 1935 e.v. under Crowley by W.T.Smith in southern California). Present membership c. 2,700 in over forty countries. The "Typhonian OTO" denies the validity of the Lodge system. It has no central authority, other than Kenneth Grant to a very limited extent -- since it continually fragments into other groups also claiming to be the Typhonian OTO and not accepting Grant's leadership. It does not continue the Crowley initiation rituals, has no documents of charter, is not recognized as a continuation of any form of OTO and has no carried over membership from any previous OTO presence -- since Grant was expelled by the Head of OTO (Karl Germer, Fr. Saturnus) for violations of the OTO constitution in 1955 e.v. It asserts some claim to use of the Crowley copyrights and OTO trademarks, but this claim is not supportable in UK law (this is the contention of the OTO of which I am an officer, not a matter as yet decided by the British courts). Its membership and geographical distribution is not known to me. Again, please carry any significant follow up over to alt.magick.order, deleting the alt.magick simple newsgroup cross post. 93 93/93 Bill Heidrick, TG OTO
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