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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick
From: (Bill Heidrick)
Subject: Re: Oikoumenikos
Date: 28 Nov 1994 03:19:09 GMT

Quoting: |Hsi Wang Mu (tyagI@houseofkaos.Abyss.coM) writes:

|Please say more about what constituted the HBoL.

This was a group formed to follow (in part) B.P.Randolph's teachings.
It was international in membership, started about a generation before
the Golden Dawn in London and I last heard of it in Oakland CA about
1970 e.v., when the Oakland Hermetic Library was broken up for sales.
I managed to pick up some rather nice 1st editions of Steiner, Crowley
and Westcott from the tables.  For history of this group, you need
to look in part to Clymer's books and other sources from mid 19th to
mid 20th century.

|With what other groups did it (OTO) merge?

Partial list, according to Crowley in 1912 e.v.:

The Gnostic Catholic Church, The Order of the Knights of the Holy Ghost,
The Order of the Illuminati, The Order of the Temple, The Order of the 
Knights of St. John, The Order of the Knights of Malta, The Order of
the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre, The Hidden Church of the Holy Grail,
The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light, The Holy Order of Rose Croix of
Heredom, The Order of the Holy Royal Arch of Enoch, The Antient and
Primitive Rite of Masonry, The Rite of Memphis, The Rite of Mizraim,
The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Masonry, The Swedenborgian
Rite of Masonry, The Order of Martinists and the Order of the Sat Bhai.

Two or three of the above are either fictional or far-fetched.  Most of
this bunch had some existence and did have some influence on O.T.O.
at the time of it's formation.

|I'd like to analyse the beginnings of the historical OTO
|within this newsgroup, perhaps as part of a FAQ, since you do not appear 
|to be generating one.

Much of the early history of the O.T.O. is just now emerging.  As for
a FAQ, aside from my History Outline and a changing form letter, it's
not really a plan of O.T.O. to have a FAQ.  There are too many frequently
asked questions.  My master list of short paragraphs in response is
presently over 70K long --- just the current matter; the ephemeral matter
is longer still, 86K.  That doesn't include any in-depth material, like the
discussions earlier this year on secrecy.  Face it.  O.T.O. is complex.

|Do you know of a will within OTO to create such synods, such continual
|congresses amongst the various communities mentioned (Thelemic, Magical,
|Neopagan, etc.)?

No, as far as O.T.O. is concerned.  We contemplated attending the
centennial meeting in the Mid-West a year or so ago, and dropped the
idea.   Some groups apparently profit by this sort of thing.  Communication
with O.T.O. is so easy that this kind of meeting seems obsolete.  It might
simply be the wrong time for such.  Gatherings and events on a smaller
scale seem to be more efficient.

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Bill Heidrick

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