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No Guts No Glory

To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com
From: Bill Heidrick 
Subject: Re: No Guts No Glory (Was Re: Law of the land...)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 23:04:04 -0400

93,

Hsi Wang Mu  asks:

>|   There is, to my knowledge, no official ruling as to what one does on
>|   one's own time, within or without the OTO context.
>
>I think this is false.  I heard a rumor (thus possibly false) that one or
>more members have been tossed out of the Order due to felonious convictions.
>I.e. if one is a criminal on one's own time (robbing banks being a good
>example here), then one cannot remain a member of the OTO.  Can someone
>verify this?

Drug and alcohol abuse isn't grounds for bad report, suspension or expulsion
in O.T.O. unless it takes place at O.T.O. locations/events or leads to
harm.  It's technically contrary to the rules if a member above a certain
degree submits him or herself to this or other mechanisms whereby
free will can be impaired; but in practice that can only be assessed by
very obvious things like disruption of a gathering or injury to someone.
"Victimless" crimes are generally considered in that regard by O.T.O.
Theft, serious lies and violence are taken to be contrary to good report
and Liber OZ in most instances.  Unless it's something pretty obvious,
a complaint is usually required to be made by a member or nonmember against
someone who does these things.  Acts of victimization can lead to expulsion.
All in all, with about 2,700 members at present, O.T.O. has expelled aprox.
20 members in the last fifteen years.  Suspensions are a bit more complex,
but there are several members currently suspended for D&D at meetings
(not Dungeons&Dragons, Drunk&Disorderly) -- normally after some effort
to get them to detox and a violated request to stay away for a while.

93 93/93
Bill Heidrick, TG OTO

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