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Heidrick Koenig Conversation

Subject: Heidrick Koenig Conversation

49960825 AA1 Hail Satan! [didn't save copy, this an approximate reconstruction]


this letter is sent to Br. Heidrick, whose response I plan to again share
with Br. Koenig upon receipt.

Peter Koenig :
# of course, everything that I write may be published: BUT PLEASE TO

so done.  my intervening text removed unless pertinent, though I do follow
up on Br. Koenig's words.

#>#   Crowley originated the application of the term to OTO.  It is from
#>#Islam, being the formal title of the line of authority descended from
#>#a lateral line of the relations of Mohammed, after failure of the direct
#>#lineal descendants.  

Koenig (edited):
# "Caliph" is the term for the 'office' of the prophet.  I would like to 
# see an OTO-statute or a clear official OTO statement that connects
# the term "Caliph" to any office of any OTO.

has the term 'Caliph' ever been or will it be incorporated into any 
Constutution of the Order?  was there ever anything official created
beyond the letters you mention below?

#>#Crowley explained it to Grady in a few letters, stating
#>#that he wished to insure continuation of the headship of OTO by this means.

# I would like to see a facsimile of these documents.

are these available to the public or to members in good standing?  I would
like to receive a copy, and will take the trouble to forward copies of them
to Mr. Koenig upon my receipt.

#>#Crowley explained it to Grady in a few letters, stating
#>#that he wished to insure continuation of the headship of OTO by this means.
#>#Crowley told Grady to be ready to assume headship of the OTO in the event
#>#of a failure of Karl Germer to either make a success of leadership or to
#>#name his own successor.  

# I don't think this is accurate.  Crowley wrote several letters saying that
# 'McMurtry is a Caliph, although Germer is the "Natural Caliph"' (this in
# one letter.  However, these terms are nowhere defined as 'successor to
# Crowley.'  Crowley always wanted Germer to succeed him, as well as
# Friedrich Mellinger.  Mellinger lived until the 1970's and was a
# collaborator of Metzger's OTO in Switzerland.

Br. Heidrick, you also mentioned Br. Mellinger and the slight ambiguity of 
succession,  if I am not mistaken.   I would merely ask what evidence is
there is that:

	1) Mellinger was not so selected?

	2) Germer's wife, who outlived him, was not empowered, along with
	   Mellinger, through Germer's will, to appoint her selection 
	   (whether this be Motta or Metzger or whoever)?

I notice that in Br. Koenig's text he claims "Metzger propagated Thelema
only to ingratiate himself with Germer.  Thus Germer considered Metzger
as his sole successor, as he wrote in a letter and as was confirmed by
Germer's widow.  *Metzger totally renounced any kind of sexual magic.*"
(my emph.).  does any of this have bearing on the matter?  

#>#To this end, Crowley wrote a series of letters
#>#to Grady, giving him various authorities....

# Only as his representative for California and as representative for the
# US in case Germer did not intervene.  Germer had a low opinion of
# McMurtry, forbade his working along OTO-lines, and closed the Agape
# Lodge in 1953.  McMurtry's opening of any Lodge (Agape or not) was done
# with no authority and can only be considered "the New Foundation of 1977".

do you claim that these allegations are false, Br. Heidrick?  if so, I'll
ask Br. Koenig to substantiate them in some way.  I presume you two have
had this discussion previously, so if you know something about the items
he is likely to bring forward it would seem efficacious if you could say
something about them beforehand.

#>#Finally, Crowley wrote to Grady with the instruction that Germer was "the
#>#natural Caliph", would be A.C.'s direct successor, but that Grady should
#>#continue himself in readiness to succeed Germer.

# Since McMurtry did not answer this letter, Crowley subsequently arranged
# Friedrich Mellinger as the successor to Germer.

is this to what you were referring, Br. Heidrick, in your previous
correspondence, when you say:

#># Crowley also made somewhat lesser efforts to alert Frederic Mellinger 
#># to the possible need of taking headship of OTO, but did not give 
#># Mellinger any formal letters of authority.

if so, and there is such a letter of authority, or some authorizing agent
of command, would this substantiate Br. Koenig's claim?   he would merely
have to justify his basis for his claim that it was so 'arranged', true?

#>#-- This latter characterization of Germer as "Natural Caliph" is different
#>#from the Islamic, indirect line, usage.

#>are you aware of these letters, Br. Koenig?  do you think that Br. Heidrick
#>would lie about them?  

# I do have these letters, but I would not use the term 'lie' for what Heidrick
# is doing.  He tries to preserve his fantasies built around the founding of
# the new Agape Lodge which has no magical current.

apparently Br. Koenig does not accept that the letters to which you refer
'explain to McMurtry that Crowley wished to insure continuation of the
headship of OTO by means of the titular "Caliph" office' and 'that he should
be ready to assume headship of the OTO in the event of a failure of Karl
Germer to either make a success of leadership or to name his own successor.'

in his own text he explains 'Caliph' as related to the abbreviation to the
state (California) in which Agape Lodge was located (a pun).  I'd like to
see these documents myself, please.

#>weren't they the basis for the 9th Circuit Court's decision?

# yes, they were, but the court did not know about the rulings of the
# 1st Circuit Court of Appeals.  Heidrick and Motta made an agreement
# out of court not to mention Metzger or Grant as possible OHOs because
# Heidrick and Motta knew that they would lose the case if the court
# knew about them.  (this I have in writing from a witness to the out
# of court settlement.)

did this out of court settlement take place, Br. Heidrick?  do you think
that if Metzger/Grant had been taken into account the court would have
ruled in your favor?

#>#>...H.Beta's lineage and ...  'postal consecration'.

#>#The present Patriarch has such a connection (not exactly that, but similar)
#>#in one of the two lines he claims to the Wandering Bishops.  Under Grady's
#>#line, there is no such intangible linkage, all being by laying on of hands.

# where's the proof for McMurtry having had Crowley's hand somewhere?  Crowley
# was never a Bishop or of comparable status, though I have seen Crowley's
# 'Charter' for W.B. Crow which makes him Patriarch of Crowley's version of
# the EGC in 1944.

Br. Koenig makes this statement several times in his paperwork I notice: that
Crowley was never a Bishop and so could not consecrate any sort of lineage.
could you explain the specifics of this EGC hands-laying as well as indicate
how you came by the knowledge of its accuracy and purity?

#>is this also your understanding?  if so, what difference does it make as
#>regards the 'purity' of the Caliphate OTO's connection to the Gnostic
#>Wandering Bishops?

# why does a Thelemite need apostolic succession?  only orders and
# organizations need such a succession in order to have a magical current,
# or, as in the case of the 'Caliphate', to benefit from so-called
# copyrights.  that is, money.  the 'Caliphate's OTO connection to the
# Gnostic Wandering Bishops is only marginal/minimal.  if they could not
# receive it nowadays, from some very very few 'real' Gnostic Bishops
# outside the Thelemic continuum, they have no 'Gnostic apostolic succession'.

# it's only in their minds or in their statutes, e.g. linking their Holy
# Ghost with some Crowley-OTO-initiation rituals.  funny idea: linking a
# Christian concept with some pseudo-freemasonic rites.  and to pretend
# that this is Thelemic.

# does anyone remember the 'Gnostic Catholic Church Scandal' of the late
# 1980's?

I also got the impression that the apostolic success business was rather
Christian of origin, though I'd like to know more.  is this a supposed
direct connection to Christ?  if it wanes in and out of the EGC that is
associated with Crowley (due to his not having been a Bishop) then what
do you mean by 'apostolic succession' here?

I gather from reading Br. Koenig's text that HBeta received (postal?)
consecration from Webb to Lully-Bertiaux-Hogg.  Br. Koenig suggests
that when this was challenged HBeta merely changed the 'rules of
succession', "satisfied that 'Elevation to the Sovereign Sancturary of
the Gnosis *ipso facto* makes one a Bishop and leadership of such a body
*ipso facto* makes one a Patriarch."  is this true?  or was there more
to it?

thank you both for your time and patience.

nigris (333)

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