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To: Thelema93-L and Usenet From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (Hsi Wang Mu) Subject: Re: A.'.A.'. Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 12:49:52 -0500 499850508 Do as you please, for that is my Law. |KEN WARD|Your response to my A.'.A.'. posting was interesting indeed, almost |encouraging! I hope you continue to find my contributions to this thread thought- provoking at least. |...This was my first ever supposed A.'.A.'. contact and I had anticipated |something happening where I would "know" that I had made contact. It |didn't happen nor did it with any of the subsequent others! I'm quite interested to hear more about this. I do not doubt your ability to discern what for you will be a profitable AA connection (and you may indeed never find it in Outer Orders). I'd like to know what you *would* consider a validification of contact. Just what *sort* of experience would you find convincing of this? |...the validity of the Jane Wolfe (Soror Estai) lineage. True, she was |a Probationer under A.C. at Cefalu but many say she never progressed |beyond that. Ooooooooo, controversy. :> Greg, Bill, others, would you kindly explain where it was that the Wolfe/Estai-Seckler/Meral line derived its AA connection, if this can be divulged/discussed? I.e. if there were three people who received initiation from Mr. Crowley (here I deign to discuss the Outer AA once more), especially those who were to carry on the fabulous Line of New Products, then to what Grade were these and their followers down the Estai-present initiated by Crowley or these Primates? |Andromeda! I guess he can't be all bad. It is impossible to discern in any absolute manner the condition of another. It is possible to determine where we shall focus our energies in response to our intuitions of Possible Payoff, however. Many take relative evaluations for absolute and begin slander in display of immaturity. |My question about whether the A.'.A.'. exists on the outer refers simply to |the one-on-one instructional/intitiation scheme outlined by A.C. in his |writings. This is what I call the Outer Order of the AA. Might be Quite Important, for all I know, but usually I've seen the signs of spoilage (unnecessary secrecy, boasting without substance, lack of mastery/breadth exhibited by Lineage Masters/Mistresses, etc.) when it comes to public forums. In private, mind you, I have met with some startlingly interesting interviews which I hope to at some point down the line make public (they are all with anonymous conspirators). |I do not deny or reject that the A.'.A.'. can and does exist in other |forms (perhaps less structured?) but the system written about by A.C. |has intrigued me for years. My interpretation of OSiS is that it is a multi-faceted broadside of the Outer and Inner Orders; the first was supposedly (and I tend to presume so) contacted by the Master Therion and described thereafter (what, contact in Liber 418? I'm so forgetful sometimes.), the second initiated by Crowley himself and rather intentionally confused with this Inner Order (as usual within the Hermetic tradition). |An unknowing member? One could say that all aspirants are unknowing |members in some sense or other. Oh I suppose so, and yet your perspicacious and thorough delving into the Outer for the Perfect Forms provides to me signs of your progress. |Mu? A Zen koan? Anubis would be proud. Love is the law. Hsi Wang Mu tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com
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