THE |
|
a cache of usenet and other text files pertaining
to occult, mystical, and spiritual subjects. |
To: alt.philosophy.taoism From: zhoubu@ix.netcom.com(Miller Jew) Subject: Re: Taoism FAQ's (was Questions from ...) Date: 22 Mar 2000 18:09:16 GMT sonshi57@mindspring.com wrote: DoctorNine wrote: Musician wrote: >D9 >(CT is) Probably older than TTC too... >maybe the original Taoist tome. >M >Hey D9, > >This is the first I've heard of this, so naturally I'm inclined >to ask for some more info.... D9 >IIRC, A.C. Graham was the first to put forward the theory that >Lao tzu (Laozi) was partially or wholely 'invented' by Chuang >tzu (Zhuangzi) as a rhetorical tool. In my way of seeing this, there's definitely a mutual sense to this whole plethora of *practical tools*, if we position this by contextual means. First of all, during this ancient time of great crisis-driven tribal warring --(opportuned) for *civilizing*-- "intuition" entered to distill (it's) expansiveness into it. However it dropped --by affect-ion of mental "rhetorical tools", or healing, or what have you-- yet, distilled in. That both Chuang Tzu and Lao Tzu were members of an "esoteric circle. Them, having disciples, to each having passed on a collection of ancient Taoists teachings" (Cleary) --became available that aspect, of humankind's 'special-ity'. Hence, for scholars, trying to fit Chuang Tzu into a Lao Tzu "Ching" social-political pattern, or the later's oft presented Huang-Lao tome, is to find it much more diverse than necessarily positing it for a time frame for fact unfolding, but it may have been just *timely*. The "rhetorical tool" dwelt with by the "Chuang Tzu(s)" or "Lao Tzu(s)" were also practicing instructions to would-be students, whom would be capable of realizing one's True nature/Self/*Xin*, from heart-aching artificialities. D9 >The redundency of many of the stories in the CT and Lieh Tzu >(LT) lead me to suspect that much of the original material now >encoded into the ching, was really a continuous stream of oral >tradition, that was written down and codified at various stages, >so as not to be lost. Yes. In getting back to "Graham"'s "Chuang Tzu: The Inner Chapters", we have --besides the many scholar's acceptances of your note, originaly pre-scribed by "oral tradition"-- "they did not write books, they jotted down sayings, verses, stories, thoughts and by the third century BC composed essays, on bamboo strips which were tied together in sheets and rolled up in scrolls." Regards, -Zhou Resources: "Chuang Tzu: The Inner Chapters". tr. Graham "Wen-Tzu: Understanding the Mysteries: Further Teachings of Lao Tzu" tr. Thomas Cleary
The Arcane Archive is copyright by the authors cited.
Send comments to the Arcane Archivist: tyaginator@arcane-archive.org. |
Did you like what you read here? Find it useful?
Then please click on the Paypal Secure Server logo and make a small donation to the site maintainer for the creation and upkeep of this site. |
The ARCANE ARCHIVE is a large domain,
organized into a number of sub-directories, each dealing with a different branch of religion, mysticism, occultism, or esoteric knowledge. Here are the major ARCANE ARCHIVE directories you can visit: |
|
interdisciplinary:
geometry, natural proportion, ratio, archaeoastronomy
mysticism: enlightenment, self-realization, trance, meditation, consciousness occultism: divination, hermeticism, amulets, sigils, magick, witchcraft, spells religion: buddhism, christianity, hinduism, islam, judaism, taoism, wicca, voodoo societies and fraternal orders: freemasonry, golden dawn, rosicrucians, etc. |
SEARCH THE ARCANE ARCHIVE
There are thousands of web pages at the ARCANE ARCHIVE. You can use ATOMZ.COM
to search for a single word (like witchcraft, hoodoo, pagan, or magic) or an
exact phrase (like Kwan Yin, golden ratio, or book of shadows):
OTHER ESOTERIC AND OCCULT SITES OF INTEREST
Southern
Spirits: 19th and 20th century accounts of hoodoo,
including slave narratives & interviews
|