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BKolaczkowski: Zen Buddhism and Taoism are NOT the same

To: alt.magick.tyagi
From: (mordred)
Subject: BKolaczkowski: Re: Zen Buddhism and Taoism are NOT the same
Date: 16 May 1995 12:18:41 -0700

[from alt.philosophy.taoism: Bryan Kolaczkowski ]

Actually, the Vedic Aryans who moved into northern India (conquered)
and spread what would become Hinduism and later, Buddhism, were
pushed into India by expanding Mongolian tribes settling in what
would be China.  Taoism could be seen as a cross-cultural exchange
between the Aryan (pre-buddhist) tradition and the Mongolian culture.
This is further witnessed by the fact that many Hindu and Buddhist
literature speaks of travelling scholars from the north who would
trade for religious literature that they would then translate and read
in China.  This account is supported by Indian governmental records.
We also have some evidence of Indian-Greek-Chinese trade during the time
when things like the Tao Te Ching and later commentaries would have
been being written, the latest manifestation of a long philosophical
	I think there is sufficient evidence in all the literature
(Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist) to support the conclusion that each of
these philosophies were energetically interacting and molding
each other as they went along.  This is supported by the Taoist
trends of: 'bend and overcome' and 'acceptance of outside forces
as well as inside'.  Taoism would not be stiff and unchanging under
outside influence; that's not the Taoist philosophy.  There are
similar trends in Hinduism and Buddhism.  Neither of these philosophies
had a pantheon of deities when they were first written or preached, 
but one was developed due to interaction with other (South
Indian for one, or many, as there were a plethora of 'folk' religions
in India when the Aryans invaded) religious and philosophical
traditions.  Also, in the Taoist commentaries, one sees a drastic
movement from strict fableic parable to a more 'philosophical' metaphor
and then to an explanation in a formal language.  This parallels the
Greek movement from Homer to Socrates and Plato and then to Aristotle.
Same message, although transformed by numerous interactions and
cross-cultural exchanges.
	Not only does the separation of Buddhism from Taoism seem to 
fail to fit the historical documentation, I think that some of the
basic tennants of Taoism forbid such a separation.  To know ONLY
the way would not be to know the way at all.  We can know how the
way is separate and how it is universal, but this is not to know
the way.  Knowing the way consists in not knowing; and thus the
way is.

(see self reference)

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