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To: alt.satanism From: xeper@aol.com (Xeper) Subject: Re: Authority, Satanism and Setian Philosophy Date: 25 Jan 1999 02:36:41 GMT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In article <78cmbs$93u@bolt.sonic.net>, tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nocTifer) wrote: >I have often wondered why Setians bother with the Satanist >community at all, given the predominant focusses (usually >Judeochristian or folkloric) which would seem a waste of >your time. perhaps you can address this from your >perspective? Briefly: (1) The Temple of Set is the evolutionary continuation of the original Church of Satan, hence respects that heritage. (2) Western religious culture is predominantly Judaeo/Christian, and many potential Setians find their way to the Left-Hand Path by first becoming curious about the significance of "Satan". (3) Because of its historic ties with modern Satanism _per se_, the Temple is largely identified in the public eye as a "Satanic" religion. Although to us this is "putting the cart before the horse", we nonetheless must explain, then correct that stereotype in public forums. >why couldn't you consider >the Temple of Set to be rooted in the authority of the >Prince of Darkness with the admission that other organizations >MIGHT be so ordained by this same deity? what gives you the >impression that the priesthood surrounding this god ought to be >managed by a central authority, should be, in this day and age, >subjected to rivalrous disputes, and can only be mediated by >your organization? The founders of the Temple of Set understood its mandate as expressed in the _Book of Coming Forth by Night_ to be an exclusive one, which would be validated by the sincerity and successes of the Temple in the years to come. Yes, it is possible that there could be other such vehicles. They too would require a similar sincerity and sense of purpose, and likewise would be tested over a period of time. We have indeed seen over the years that metaphysical schools of thought directed towards the principles of the Prince of Darkness can use non-Egyptian iconography: for instance that of ancient north Europe and the persona of Odin. As the Temple has matured, we have become more sensitive to such cultural differences, and respectful of the key similarities they illuminate all the better. >I'm open to hearing what you think Set likes. Existence and reflection. Existence in the sense that it is innate in the _neter_ or Form of isolate consciousness to affirm itself constantly and continuously. Reflection in the sense that this [general] Form has remanifested itself in the [particular] self consciousnesses of intelligent beings, who by *their* affirmation of identity recognize the _neter_ behind the entire phenomenon. To borrow Nietzschean terminology, this is "beyond good and evil" insofar as Set is beyond all moral conventions and issues. Such matters are for individual conscious beings to address for themselves, that they may survive and even cooperate in one another's presence. >do you think that Setians all agree with your >assertion about the unchallenged authority of >the Temple? As I have expressed it above, I think they do. But they are not required to, and I daresay many simply don't feel the need for a stand on it one way or another, assuming that the Temple will deal rationally and fairly with any LHP phenomena it encounters, whether internal or external. >aren't there Setians who are not part of the ToS? >or do you refuse to acknowledge that they have >any kind of similar relationship with the Prince >of Darkness? We customarily use the term "Setian" to refer to a current Initiate of the Temple, and the initiatory degree titles also refer to formal Recognition within the Temple _per se_. Of course many persons who have left the Temple, usually quite graciously, have taken whatever they have awakened and strengthened within themselves into their further adventures. We would certainly respect Setian *qualities* within such individuals, but I don't think we would formalize them as "Setians", nor by the titles of the Temple degree system. >in fact, I would go so far as to say that religion and >Satanism are truly incompatible in the sense of religion as >organized spirituality. the Satanist is self-derived, >individualistic, and will tend to be abrasive of the >organizations of which she is part (as well as potentially >make the best member, since the org which can encompass hir >will have demonstrated its merit and warrant hir fierce >loyalty). I tend to regard "religion" as an ideological term used to simplify metaphysics for persons incapable of _Dianoia_ or _Noesis_ (i.e. pure philosophical reason and suprarational apprehension of the _neteru_). Such an ideological term is also used to "translate" an initiatory vehicle like the Temple of Set into something more simplified that can be comprehended by profane society. At the level of such profane ideology, "Satan" can be used in many ways - from the literal to the symbolic, from the good to the bad, from the artistic/creative to the wantonly destructive. Within this spectrum are the "antisocial individualists" you identify above, who, probably because of the rock-music glamorization of "Satan" in the 80s, chose to fixate on that icon and to prop poor old Anton up again to give them a sort of quasi-intellectual legitimacy. That in turn fed his hunger for self-glamorization, hence the bizarre situation of anarchic confusion we see in "Satanism" as such today. Michael A. Aquino, Ph.D. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 iQA/AwUBNqvYMmRWyNykJwrDEQJghgCdG/oNpY8PfKY9X4qj/SjVCDa7YXAAoOI+ 5a+gn6ntzGRlq2ypnjltpaH3 =5+rX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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