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To: alt.religion.gnostic,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc From: Kater MogginSubject: Re: Satan, Worship, Service, and Depiction Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 05:55:23 GMT satanservice.org@boboroshi (SOD of the CoE): > my read of Pagels (particularly recall of > "Gnostic Gospels" and recent refresh of "The Origin of Satan") > indicates that the Gnostics are more likely to *depart* from > any kind of God-Satan dualism in favour of something more > comprehensive, even dyadic Gnosticism is very dualistic, although certain schools are better described by Kurt Rudolph's phrase "dualism on a monistic background." But it's God versus the Creator, not the Creator vs. Satan. > this is especially true of, say, the Valentinians, in *The Gospel > of Phillip*. Dualities found in the Valentinian school include illusion vs. reality, ignorance vs. knowledge, deficiency vs. completion, corruption versus incorruptibility, finitude versus infinity, falsehood versus truth, time vs. eternity, transience vs. permanence, and probably a couple of others I've forgotten. > I'm curious, which of the gospels feature Lucifer and how is he described? None in the NHL. If you want to find Satan and Lucifer in gnosticism, you oughta move to medieval gnostics like the Cathars and Bogomils, where the Devil is is identified with the Creator of this world. -- Moggin to e-mail, remove the thorn Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!sjc72.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!wn14feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Kater Moggin Newsgroups: alt.religion.gnostic,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: Satan, Worship, Service, and Depiction Organization: Poor Farm Swamp References: <7fa9b259.0302171305.6d9cd83c@posting.google.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.3b1 (PPC Mac OS X) Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.228.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1046670973 24.91.228.55 (Mon, 03 Mar 2003 05:56:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 05:56:13 GMT Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 05:56:13 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.religion.gnostic:49581 alt.magick.tyagi:38164 alt.satanism:224250 talk.religion.misc:395200 satanservice.org@boboroshi (SOD of the CoE): >> ...the Nag Hammadi Library .... > there are mentions by name of 'Satan'? I've never heard > that, plus that's some kind of Gnostic scripture-set, no? The Nag Hammadi Library is a set of ancient writings, some gnostic and some not, that were found in a cave in Egypt in 1945. Satan is rarely mentioned by name (only two, maybe three times), and never positively. -- Moggin to e-mail, remove the thorn Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!sjc72.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!wn14feed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Kater Moggin Newsgroups: alt.religion.gnostic,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: Satan, Worship, Service, and Depiction Organization: Poor Farm Swamp References: <7fa9b259.0302171305.6d9cd83c@posting.google.com> <7fa9b259.0302222208.79a06f28@posting.google.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.3b1 (PPC Mac OS X) Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.228.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1046672104 24.91.228.55 (Mon, 03 Mar 2003 06:15:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 06:15:04 GMT Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 06:15:04 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.religion.gnostic:49583 alt.magick.tyagi:38165 alt.satanism:224258 talk.religion.misc:395201 ryansoileau@yahoo.com (RyanS2): > The Gnostic corpus of Satan doesn't really mention Satan, though > Lucifer gets his fair share as the brother of Jesus. What "Gnostic corpus of Satan"? Y'all were discussing the Nag Hammadi Library, a collection of ancient texts -- some gnostic, others not -- discovered in Egypt in 1945. Satan gets mentioned a few times, Lucifer not at all. > Robert M. Grant, University of Chicago Professor Emeritus, believes > that the account of Irenaeus may be Gnostic I doubt Grant believes anything that ridiculous. Irenaeus was a heresy-hunter: one of the Church Dads who devoted himself to _combating_ the gnostics. From his angle, they were dangerous kooks. -- Moggin to e-mail, remove the thorn
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