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Subject: The CoS Using Spies

See also photos of Jeff Nagy and Boyd Rice, other neo-Nazis.)

This is PROOF that ANDRE SCHLESINGER of the Church/Corporation of Satan sends out spies to spy on organizations that don't even hide anything! They do this to harass. And then they follow it up with more harassment, probably following the orders of their "superiors." They are UNPAID EMPLOYEES. NOBODY is copyright thieving from the damned Corporation - and some pathetic "letter" from an unpaid lawyer should be a BLUFF CALLED OUT. Jason Roberts is VonPapen, also Aristocrat--the neo Nazi idiot. But it is also possible that Aristocrat, VonPapen is John Felber, the Nazi idiot. Both Jason Roberts and John Felber claimed to be Aristocrat, VonPapen--and both of their IPs are curiously banned from the same DALnet channel when only one of the prople was explicitly banned, as if they're using the SAME IP. (Go figure!). By his own words:

From: "John Felber" <theplutocracy@hotmail.com>

There are two people out there I have found. Me and someone who parades with the nick Jason Roberts. I suggest separating the two of us for I am not Jason Roberts

UPDATE: SINCE THIS WAS EXPOSED, JASON ROBERTS HAS WHINED AND STRUGGLED SO MUCH AGAINST THIS PIECE OF EVIDENCE, WE TOOK THE TROUBLE TO GET THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE, FULL HEADERS AND ALL. BRING ON YOUR LAWYERS NOW. THIS FULL HEADER IS AS GOOD AS A FINGERPRINT IN A COURT OF LAW. WHETHER OR NOT JASON ROBERTS IS ALSO "ARISTOCRAT" OR "VONPAPEN" IS DEBATABLE SINCE VONPAPAN CLAIMED TO BE "JASON ROBERTS" -

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Hello,

I am Jason Roberts (no longer Rev. Jason Roberts) of the former "Order of The Sabbatic Goat". I have destroyed and disbanded this organization, and have become an active member within the Church of Satan as via request of Rev. Andre Schlesinger for taking place in the Cyberus Investigations of online Copyright theft of the Church of Satan. I no longer wish to be affiliated with the "Satanic Council" or any other branch thereof. I will shortly be affirmed into The Priesthood of Mendes as per invitation only for my actions within the past 3 months in assisting Rev. Schlesinger. And will shortly have the title "Reverend" again as per Anton Szandor LaVey, and NOT The Universal Life Church.

As for my subscription to this mailing list, and those in affiliation with those groups who are linked to it - I have unsubscribed myself from it. NOT because of my discrimination towards those groups, but because it becomes irritating having my primary E-Mail bombarded with 45 messages a day when I wake up.

The OSG Website has been removed - http://osg.cc.st/=20=20=20=20

The only website I now have is the one for my artwork and web design which is now a successful business in the making. Which can be found at the lengthy URL http://www.geocities.com/mercury_9_mercury/OPEN.htm Entitled "The Garden of Eden".

As for the Satanic Council and any other site with my name, or former organization linked to it, I would prefer those to be removed before November 1st. or pend legal notification from my lawyer, or The Church of Satan.

Thank you.

NOTE: Heh, the COS has NO MONEY to take anyone to court! Should have CALLED HIS BLUFF.

Here is one more example of typical Church of Satan activities. Instead of spending time enjoying himself and doing his own thing, this Church of Satan Unpaid Employee bothers to write this vomit below. In case anyone forgot, Jason Roberts is VonPapen, also Aristocrat - the neo Nazi idiot that is BOTHERING TO CONCERN HIMSELF WITH WHAT DOES NOT CONCERN HIM because he thinks he's sucking up to Andre Schlesinger, and that such actions (hacking? attempting to hack) will get him a Church of Satan Priesthood. He should know what people in the Church of Satan have to say about him: "he's scum."

From: "IMMORTAL" <spawn@c...>

Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:09:47 -0500

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Subject: [sataniccouncil] 

Fw: Some Hatemail for you to add. 

Ave. Well, good ole, Jason Roberts is at it again. I thought I would forward this to all of you. Jason is the one who had Jasons Webshites and had all of our sites url's on Satannet a while back. I thought I should warn you all again.

Rege Satanas Rev. R. Fairhall IMMORTAL http://www.satanic-kindred.org

Here is Andre Schlesinger's little spy writing what he himself calls HATE MALE.

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From: "Jason" <jroberts@gwtc.net>

To: <spawn@cableworks.org>

Subject: Some Hatemail for you to add.

Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:12:10 -0500

Since I had a good 2 hours to waste I had decided to happen by your new website. And subsequent to seeing what the last one was comprised of, prior to it wiped off the face of the web, I had decided that this one was nothing short of the same mediocrity and insolence that prompted the removal of the previous one. Your execrations to Dr. LaVey are deplorable. Even unto the point of misspelling his name as "Lavey" rather than "LaVey" -- as intended. The hypocritical pseudo-adherence to The Nine Satanic Statements are even laughable. It's just too bad you had not posted the 11 Rules of The Earth which would certainly make it a drollery to remember.

Aside from the horrendous graphical design, layout, annoying MIDI files, and placid attempts at displaying ANY kind of originality, your site still manages to wriggle out a few programming flaws as well. Your "password protected" Downloads section is easily accessible, and not even completed yet. Most of your graphical content is missing, and your FTP gate is unprotected. Hackers would LOVE to get their hands on this little piece of refuse. Next time you decide to get your own domain, make some precautions to keep it.

Now onto the "important" part: Again, the same old argument - why another Satanic Organization? (Don't answer just yet) You seem to be a fan of Dr. LaVey's, share his views thoughts and philosophies, and even so much as compare yourselves to his work. Now, why in the world would you divagate almost entirely from his statutes? Could it be that you too, see The Church of Satan as "corrupted", "changed", "different", "fascist", and dare we say "not the same after Anton died"? How banal. I've heard better excuses from compulsive liars. Or perhaps you are "carrying forth his legacy of puritanical Satanism"; Whatever the case may be you are obviously trying to, in some way, stratify something that has been done (if not at least a million times before), or trying to re-invent a wheel that has been re-invented countless times before. But either way, whatever blows your skirt up. Just don't get angry if you hear us snickering at the sucking sounds emanating from your direction.

But here's my standardized explanation for why people feel a need to generate "Satanic Organizations" en masse. (i.e. you) Egos, everyone has them. (Or so we think.) But in most cases there are those who feel that theirs is not as fulfilled as it could be. For this Satanists have a name: a have-not. You are discontented with what opportunities that you DO have, and the chances that are ALREADY available. So instead of using reasonable means to compensate for an understandably normal affliction - you use ego supplements and construct your own shit-heap the only way you know how - Satanic Organizations of course! In order for you to completely "be at one" with yourself, and hold any self-recognition or interest you must maintain an identity. Identities are granted through self-exploration, expansion of ideas delivered through socialization, or relations with other people. Providing an exercise artifice for the ego, and establishing a stronger tenure on who exactly one is. Without this, the identity of a particular person becomes diluted and watered-down. Almost always at the expense of one's emotions as well. In essence, once the person's identity and self-recognition becomes watered-down, so does all else that encompasses that person.

Where an identity is not readily available, or were one is more easily accessible than through genuine self-interest, a person will seek out that of another's. The very mother of pretentiousness. By making bravado claims, masturbating your ego, you can easily bestow upon yourself anything you want. Wearing the mask of your favorite iconoclast, musician, artist, writer, and so forth. It is the easiest way and is nearly devoid of any energy expenditure on your part. Making it all the more easy to become a ten-cent God while psychologically riding the coattails of your idols. This is the very same disease that afflicts pseudo-Satanists, quasi-Goths, and wannabes. Even unto the very gates and tent-flaps of The Church of Satan itself.

Satanism can provide an easy accessible identity to the feebleminded. Like any other religion, it becomes insulted and affronted with a deluge of "individuals" using it as a crutch for their monopedal, one-legged minds. These labels are the eat and drink of the poseur. They place instant recognition with others without effort or talent. If it serves as a goodguy-badge and doubles as a claim to fame, all the better. Without an instantly applicable label, you would be nothing. (This would explain the sudden upcropping of overnight Black Magicians, "Future shock-rock stars", and sheep in wolves clothing that you seem to provide shelter for.)

Stimulation is the second requirement for self-sustainment. Without mediums in which to exercise and build the ego, you will often find yourself without the provisions to maintain even a simple identity. Once this element is lacking, you are then forced to resort to applying an instant label as mentioned above. It is the calling card of the weak. Where there is no stimulation, it will either be made or improvised. (Improvision being the worse of the two.) YOU can neither recognize this, or care to do anything about it. It's what keeps your miserable existences in tact.

There are so many examples of empty posturous, and pretentious stimulation devices. Ranks, titles, awards, empty-recognition from others, acknowledgments from superior individuals, and lest we forget: Labels used best for shock-value. If the above does not suffice for proper ego-food, than the last resort would (hopefully) be self-exploration and expansion.

The poseur does not die happy or satisfied. He dies lonely, and hungry for recognition without the realization all of his ability for true acclaim, lies right beneath his very nose. At this time, full of regret and self-inflicted anguish, he and his ego perish. The one and only true Eternal Damnation. And of course you will blame everyone but yourself for this. Lashing out with hatred, retribution and violence at others, only because of the same contempt that you hold for yourself.

So scream, yell, swing, and ravenously try to show your hatred for others while we (the Alien Elite and actual Satanists) propagate the movement accordingly in opposition to your passive bastardizations of something that is already taking place. But the difference here is, we get things done -- you talk about them.

NOTE: He and his Alien Elite are a dying rotted out corpse that engage in nothing better than shit like this. Jason Roberts probably types about 20 words per minute, yet took TWO HOURS to type this "hate mail." He is one of those Amina/Corax spoke of, they are lured into the cos, lured into doing suckup jobs like this - only to be trashed later on. The COS officials regard this moron as scum. We don't hear anyone screaming: we only see that Jason Roberts is REALLY in the service of US - for being so kind as to supply us with more things to EXPOSE.

This is more of Jason Robert's harassment and threats against yet ANOTHER organization. Keep them coping Andy, please! This is the message he left behind on the messageboard of another org that he need not concern himself with:

Date: 12/15/00 03:20:06 PM



Name: Vehement 

Email: jroberts@gwtc.net 

Subject: Pseudo-Satanism 

IP Address: 208.248.134.155

HE says: [NOTE: If you delete this message, I will destroy your message board account with Bravenet. If you are affraid that people will see you for how stupid you are, please defend yourself instead of turning tail and running.]

Since I had a good 2 hours to waste I had decided to happen by your new website. And subsequent to seeing what the last one was comprised of, prior to it wiped off the face of the web, I had decided that this one was nothing short of the same mediocrity and insolence that prompted the removal of the previous one. Your execrations to Dr. LaVey are deplorable. Even unto the point of misspelling his name as "Lavey" rather than "LaVey" -- as intended. The hypocritical pseudo-adherence to The Nine Satanic Statements are even laughable. It's just too bad you had not posted the 11 Rules of The Earth which would certainly make it a drollery to remember.

Aside from the horrendous graphical design, layout, annoying MIDI files, and placid attempts at displaying ANY kind of originality, your site still manages to wriggle out a few programming flaws as well. Your "password protected" Downloads section is easily accessible, and not even completed yet. Most of your graphical content is missing, and your FTP gate is unprotected. Hackers would LOVE to get their hands on this little piece of refuse. Next time you decide to get your own domain, make some precautions to keep it.

Now onto the "important" part: Again, the same old argument - why another Satanic Organization? (Don't answer just yet) You seem to be a fan of Dr. LaVey's, share his views thoughts and philosophies, and even so much as compare yourselves to his work. Now, why in the world would you divagate almost entirely from his statutes? Could it be that you too, see The Church of Satan as "corrupted", "changed", "different", "fascist", and dare we say "not the same after Anton died"? How banal. I've heard better excuses from compulsive liars. Or perhaps you are "carrying forth his legacy of puritanical Satanism"; Whatever the case may be you are obviously trying to, in some way, stratify something that has been done (if not at least a million times before), or trying to re-invent a wheel that has been re-invented countless times before. But either way, whatever blows your skirt up. Just don't get angry if you hear us snickering at the sucking sounds emanating from your direction.

But here's my standardized explanation for why people feel a need to generate "Satanic Organizations" en masse. (i.e. you) Egos, everyone has them. (Or so we think.) But in most cases there are those who feel that theirs is not as fulfilled as it could be. For this Satanists have a name: a have-not. You are discontented with what opportunities that you DO have, and the chances that are ALREADY available. So instead of using reasonable means to compensate for an understandably normal affliction - you use ego supplements and construct your own shit-heap the only way you know how - Satanic Organizations of course! In order for you to completely "be at one" with yourself, and hold any self-recognition or interest you must maintain an identity. Identities are granted through self-exploration, expansion of ideas delivered through socialization, or relations with other people. Providing an exercise artifice for the ego, and establishing a stronger tenure on who exactly one is. Without this, the identity of a particular person becomes diluted and watered-down. Almost always at the expense of one's emotions as well. In essence, once the person's identity and self-recognition becomes watered-down, so does all else that encompasses that person.

Where an identity is not readily available, or were one is more easily accessible than through genuine self-interest, a person will seek out that of another's. The very mother of pretentiousness. By making bravado claims, masturbating your ego, you can easily bestow upon yourself anything you want. Wearing the mask of your favorite iconoclast, musician, artist, writer, and so forth. It is the easiest way and is nearly devoid of any energy expenditure on your part. Making it all the more easy to become a ten-cent God while psychologically riding the coattails of your idols. This is the very same disease that afflicts pseudo-Satanists, quasi-Goths, and wannabes. Even unto the very gates and tent-flaps of The Church of Satan itself.

Satanism can provide an easy accessible identity to the feebleminded. Like any other religion, it becomes insulted and affronted with a deluge of "individuals" using it as a crutch for their monopedal, one-legged minds. These labels are the eat and drink of the poseur. They place instant recognition with others without effort or talent. If it serves as a goodguy-badge and doubles as a claim to fame, all the better. Without an instantly applicable label, you would be nothing. (This would explain the sudden upcropping of overnight Black Magicians, "Future shock-rock stars", and sheep in wolves clothing that you seem to provide shelter for.)

Stimulation is the second requirement for self-sustainment. Without mediums in which to exercise and build the ego, you will often find yourself without the provisions to maintain even a simple identity. Once this element is lacking, you are then forced to resort to applying an instant label as mentioned above. It is the calling card of the weak. Where there is no stimulation, it will either be made or improvised. (Improvision being the worse of the two.) YOU can neither recognize this, or care to do anything about it. It's what keeps your miserable existences in tact.

There are so many examples of empty posturous, and pretentious stimulation devices. Ranks, titles, awards, empty-recognition from others, acknowledgments from superior individuals, and lest we forget: Labels used best for shock-value. If the above does not suffice for proper ego-food, than the last resort would (hopefully) be self-exploration and expansion.

The poseur does not die happy or satisfied. He dies lonely, and hungry for recognition without the realization all of his ability for true acclaim, lies right beneath his very nose. At this time, full of regret and self-inflicted anguish, he and his ego perish. The one and only true Eternal Damnation. And of course you will blame everyone but yourself for this. Lashing out with hatred, retribution and violence at others, only because of the same contempt that you hold for yourself.

So scream, yell, swing, and ravenously try to show your hatred for others while we (the Alien Elite and actual Satanists) propagate the movement accordingly in opposition to your passive bastardizations of something that is already taking place. But the difference here is, we get things done -- you talk about them.

And another one:

Date: 12/15/00 03:25:16 PM

Name: Vehement 

Email: jroberts@gwtc.net 

Subject: "IPs" and "3l33t Hax0rs" 

IP Address: 208.248.134.155 

I thought it was rather cute throughout your website you seem to mention l33t hackers. I had to laugh at this since you seem to think displaying someone's IP is "intimidating" or perhaps "detouring" -- Hell I just think it's prescious. I've got more sites under my belt and more v1t1m5 than you could count. I am actually kind of inviting your "hackers" to come out and play with this one as well. I will gladly show you who's your daddy.

***The repient of this shit replies:

On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:46:16 +0100 "Magistra XXX" <magisXXXXXXXXX> writes:

Ave,

Hey, I'm having a little quarrel with Jason Roberts at the moment. I wrote him an e-mail after he posted one hell of a flaming message on our forum (www.satanic-kindred.nl). Do with it whatever you like, I just wanna headline some of the amazing words he can use, and ofcourse say nothing, or everything....

Ave Jason,

Well Jason seems to me like you've done it again. I've talked to you on icq and you sounded like a very intelligent young man, but this just proves how the internet can fool ppl. You didn't fool me tho, I never trust anybody and you shouldn't have done it as well. You're site looks great especially the faq section. I quote:=20

Q: I see alot of Church of Satan oriented material and links on your site. Is this site or the author a member of The Church of Satan?

A: This site is not a part of The Church of Satan, nor is the author a member at this time. Although this may change in the future depending on the descision of the author. Although the Garden is very pro-CoS, we claim no affiliations with any organizations.

Well Jason, I remember a conversation we had about membership and why you became a member. I quote you again:- "I joined The Church of Satan for my artistic purposes, and for reasons of probably getting advertised in the near future."

You see Jason you have to be carefull to who you tell things to, and you messed with the wrong group...you see we don't just talk, we take actions. Actions against 'the bad apples' that ruin things for the entire satanic community like yourself. You constanly contradict yourself as a satanist. [You said] 'I feel guilty'. I think you remember that conversation, if you don't, try to find it in your message archive. Now I'm not a childish person, but you have to understand this, if I find out that you wrote emails to the SKO after I gave you the URL, and you appear on our message board as a spokes-person of the CoS, and I quote [you] again: "So scream, yell, swing, and ravenously try to show your hatred for others while we (the Alien Elite and actual Satanists) propagate the movement accordingly in opposition to your passive bastardizations of something that is already taking place.", you will get on my territory, and we all know what happeneds if you invade a satanists privat territory.=20

But since I am a nice person, I will give you the chance to rectify your message, if you don't I will have to take some steps, see legally you are violating someones property.

Greetings,

J,

Mag - org info.

And the moron sends another one SECONDS later

Date: 12/16/00 05:21:46 AM

Name: Ejacula 

 Email: jroberts@gwtc.net 

Subject: Could you try harder please? 

IP Address: 63.83.214.32 

That had to be the most feeble attempt at defending yourself I had ever seen. Oh so easy to excuse things on account of "having too much free-time". And such a happy little klippoth you are too. Wow, you presented such a serious, and debatable reason for changing my mind. Perhaps I shall pack up and go home with my tail between my legs. Sorry that I had summoned such blazing intellectual fury. I stand in awe my friend.

NOTE: this sounds like one of Ygraine's gang talking here.

[As a small aside: I am glad I didn't drag anyone else into this little food-fight. It would fuel your tiny hatefull furnaces to the point of orgasmic glee with what cognizance you recieve from us.]

NOTE: no one wants cognizance from the CORPORATION OF SHIT!

But anyway, you are a pseudo-Satanist because you apply to many of the mentioned below traits.

Traits of The Pseudo-Satanist

1. Argumenative, and Combative towards most subjects concerning themselves.

2. Need to prove themselves or disprove crticizm.

3. Pretentious titles with no legal referance or tangible representations to back them up.

4. Pretentious and innocuous names: (i.e. High Priest Dagon Demon Lord of Abysmal Horrors)

5. Small presence, such as minute agragations comprised of 30 people or less each.

6. Online presance only. Without any tangible, real-world proof of activity.

7. Shabby websites composed of stolen or poorly made graphics. (Although not always the case.)

8. LaVey-baiting and praise of his works to lure in potential suckers and members.

9. Insults or false claiments made about The Church of Satan or its officials.

10. Obsessions with ranks, titles, awards, and other empty merits.

11. Show of insecurity and questions matters with obvious answers.

12. Empty and pompus posturing filled with bravado claims and no goods to show for them. 13. Devil-worship and actual belief in the literal existance of Satan. 14. Harms children and animals in their rites. 15. Refers to Satanic Magic as "Magick, Majick, Majic, or Majik". 16. Lack of identity and fascination with other people or portrayal thereof. (i.e. People who show unusual intrest in Marilyn Manson, Anton LaVey, or any other genuine individual) 17. Refers to a "Satanic Community", where the term in itself is anti-Satanic. 18. Maintains a false intrest in the Church of Satan by claiming they harbor "respect" for them to lure in more pontential suckers and understate their intentions.

I. STUPIDITY-The Psuedo-Satanist never knows what he's talking about. At his best, he reads things verbatim. At his worst, he gives his version of what he thinks something means. In the end, stupidity seems to be the most prevalent trait among the P.S. I imagine this has something to do with the innate stupidity of 98% of humanity.

II. PRETENTIOUSNESS-Hand someone a book that says "Man is God" or "The strong shall inherit the Earth" and they will almost invariably think that THEY are the subject of the book. It seems that Great Black Magicians are a dime-a-dozen these days, but Great Accomplishments are few and far between. Naturally, the would-be Rasputins all have convenient excuses for their failure to come up with the goods. Lao-Tzu once said "Those who know don't speak. Those who speak don't know". The Psuedo-Satanist speaks a lot.

III. HERD AESTHETICS-Slap a pentagram on something these days and someone will buy it. Slap it on enough things and it'll become fashionable. Pentagrams do not a Satanist make. In some cases it's an imagery fixation, in others it's trendiness. It doesn't matter much to those who are selling the stuff. Beware of people who follow "modern" trends in anything, whether they call themselves Satanists or simpletons.

IV. A NEED FOR DEBATE-These guys always feel it necessary to argue about things like "Is Satanism Fascist?" or "Should Satanists be allowed to have sex with buffalo?". The answers are right there under their noses, but they refuse to see them. They always want to discuss and debate...and waste time. There is absolutely no reason to indulge them in their infantile needs for attention. Ignore them, or tell them to fuck off and die.

NOTE: oh, been Reading Satanic Reds? Wait till they see the COS NAZI photo album on here :) As a matter of fact, that document is interesting to most who have read it. It has a lot of information about other things on there that relate. But Jason Roberts is VonPapan the Aristocrat (not), the nyaa nyaa stupid piece of human garbage that is incapable of having a dialogue without either screaming hate at people or whining in self pity. His pee pee doesn't work. That's his problem.