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To: alt.satanism
From: Kerry Delf 
Subject: Re: Attn: Nadramia (was Re: To Mr Scratch, Re: Cockroaches)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 23:49:17 -0800

[posted with cc to Nadramia]

On Thu, 2 Jan 1997 wrote:

> Kerry Delf wrote:
> > 
> > [posted to alt.satanism with cc's to McKinnon & Nadramia]
> Nope -- received no private e-mail from Ms. Delf.

I beg your pardon -- is your address no longer functioning?
I'll make a note of that.

> > On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Karl Mac Mc Kinnon wrote:
> > 
> > >       "There is no dissagreement between Anton LaVey and Tani Jantsang."
> > > This comes from the horses mouth.  Peggy Nadramia has already spoke to
> > > Adam Wilson on the subject.
> > 
> > Ms. Nadramia, could you please publicly corroborate this?
> Why? Disagreement about what? What to wear? What to eat? I have yet to
> see a statement about Satanism from Tani Jantsang that "disagrees"
> materially with what I understand of Anton LaVey's theories and
> philosophy.


Tani promotes communism and racism, neither of which seem to fit in at all
with LaVey's vision of Satanism.

She encourages hatred of certain sexual acts:  

For example, she has a deep and abiding hatred of sado-masochism, which
she claims is unSatanic and the mark of a Klippoth.  For LaVey's differing
view, see the _S.B._  On p.69, LaVey specifically sets S/M sexuality apart
from the general rule against engaging in sexual expression that hurts
others: "the...exception to the rule regards dealing with masochists.  A
masochist derives pleasure from /being/ hurt;  so /denying/ the masochist
his pleasure-though-pain hurts /him/ just as much as actual physical pain
hurts the non-masochist...The "well-adjusted" sadist is epicurean in
selecting those on whom his energies will be well-spent!  If a person is
healthy enough to admit he is a masochist and enjoys being enslaved and
whipped, the real sadist is glad to oblige!  ASIDE FROM THE FOREGOING
EXCEPTIONS, the Satanist would not intentionally hurt others by violating
their sexual rights." [my emphasis])

Additionally, she is revulsed, and inspired to new heights of rant-lit, by
the idea and act of fellatio.  In response to her sexual prudishness
in general, and to her attempts to dictate a proper sexual moral code to
all Satanists, again see the _S.B._  On p.67, LaVey writes, "Satanism
condones any type of sexual activity which properly satisfies your
individual desires...Satanism also sanctions any fetish or deviation which
will enhance your sex life, so long as it involves no one who does not
wish to be involved."  Further, on p.70, he adds, "Just as no two people
are exactly the same in their choice of diet or have the same capacity for
the consumption of food, sexual tastes and appetites vary from person to
person.  No person or society has the right to set limitations on the
sexual standards or the frequency of sexual activity of another.  Proper
sexual conduct can only be judged within the context of each individual

She presents as "scientific fact" the idea that there are two biologically
distinct species classified under the name "human," one of which is based
on Carbon-12 ONLY, and is the race of "natural" Satanists, and the other
of which is based on rarer, radioactive carbon isotopes, and is the race
of "klippoths."  Sounds, to me, a little kooky for down-to-earth LaVey.

She further insists that Tezcatlipoca and Set, to whom LaVey refers in the
_S.B._, p.58-60, as being among the Infernal Names are in fact Christ.  

She denounces conflict and spreaders of conflict.

She claims that the rich and powerful are evil exploiters and "klippoths"
and therefore not truly Satanists.  Once again, see the _S.B._, "The Black
Mass," p.104;  a brief quote from the larger whole is "It would be an
over-simplification to say that every successful man and woman on earth
is, without knowing it, a practicing Satanist;  but...if the love of money
is the root of all evil, then we must at least assume the most powerful
men on earth to be the most Satanic."

Finally, Tani is largely anti-hierarchical, hating the structure, and
even the principle, of any hierarchy which supports rulers who disagree
with her, and denounces any notion of rulership over the earth (_S.B._,
again p.104, "The Satanist has always ruled the earth...and always will,
by whatever name he is called.").

Would you claim that Jantsang's opinions on these matters indeed
correspond with LaVey's attitudes?

> >  A yes or no answer will suffice.
> (smile) Oh, sure. "Please speak a little closer to the microphone."

Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of Jantsang Readers

> --P


-----------=Kerry Delf=-------------==-----------
"I fear sometimes that I have the ambition of a genius, the eye and ear 
of a genius, and the talent of a chimneysweep.  I go down into the filthy 
world, I come up black, I scatter the ashes and cinders of my research 
onto white papers, but what have I got?  Paper with black marks all over 
it."    --Orson Scott Card's fictional Honore de Balzac

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