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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.witchcraft,talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.wicca From: Taliesin of EarthstarSubject: Re: Symbolism of Wiccan Scourging (was Serious On Topic...) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:41:28 GMT On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:59:58 GMT, nagasiva@luckymojo.com (lorax666) wrote: >50000228 IVom > >Taliesin of Earthstar : >>...A lot of "eclectic" covens and groups have >>dispensed with the scourge entirely, as the symbolism (the entire >>"descent of the Goddess" myth-motif, et al) is sometimes seen as >>"inappropriate" in this overly PC day and age. > >strong language. ok, I'm game. what is the value of seeing women >flayed as part of (apparently Inanna-based) ritual? Change that to "putatively Innana-based," and I'll go along with it . As far as "value," I'm assuming there is some, because some people have found a way to become aware of "that which they seek" within themselves. It's just not a method I can use. Problems with the myth: lack of historicity to the side, it has a surface-resemblance to the "She wanted it anyway" defense that some violent people have used to justify rape. Adittionally, I personally have a lot of problems with the "great leader" aspects of the motif. >is there a >comparable male-flogging myth used amongst "serious" covens who >aren't 'overly PC'? None that I'm aware of. However, scourging is used (always male-to-female, or female-to-male, never same-gender) in the "original" Gardnerian and Alexandrian BoS's for: 1: All three "degrees" of initiation; 2: A method of "raising power" for external magic; 3: A method of "gaining the sight" (one form of "internal magic"); And possibly other purposes. Though the myth is "male-to-female," the practice can go in either direction. >does it make a difference that Gardner was >probably a sexual pervert who needed to be whipped in a semblance >of his knee-high Governess Cammie days in order to get excited? Nagasiva, you're being naughty. >is this an indication of who would most flourish in Gardnerianism >(esp. those lines which still continue this type of 'punishment')? Not for the suggested reasons, I would presume. But -- not being a BTW initiate -- that is a presumption, not first-hand knowledge. Taliesin of Earthstar shukenza earthlink net I've been running low on supplies. Spam me and I use YOU as a substitute for "Eye of newt...."
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