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Satanist/NeoPagan War

To: alt.pagan,alt.satanism,alt.religion.all-worlds,alt.religion.wicca
From: litch@news.eden.com (R. Michael Litchfield)
Subject: Re: Satanist/NeoPagan War
Date: 27 Jun 1996 18:25:19 -0500

In article <4qpgn3$49j@amber.ora.com>,
Stephen R. Figgins  wrote:
>: How are they seeking to "re-define" what Neopaganism is or is not?  They 
>: are asking to be legitimately recognized and respected.  That is true of 
>: any religious or philosophical sect.  
>
>Actually, what is being asked is that Satanism be legitimately
>recognized and respected as a *Neopagan* religion.  Which is where I
>diverge.
>
>I DO recognize, and respect Satanism as a religion, just as I
>recognize and respect all the worlds religions.  (I may not agree with
>them, but I can respect that they have a right to worship as they
>please What I do not recognize is that Satanism is a *Neopagan*
>religion.

However you have admitted earlier in the discussion that you hold a 
highly non-standard definition of "neopagan". If one were to use the
prevailing definition as it is used on alt.pagan it is clear that
some if not most satanists are neopagan.

>But insisting that Satanism is a neopagan religion is going way to
>far.  And actually is probably not even something most Satanists would
>insist upon.

It does go a bit far, there are satanic traditions which are not neopagan
but they are in the minority. What is being argued (to put it in
a positive statement) that there is a subset of satanism which is also a 
subset of neopaganism. Or as it s it is usually express, it is NOT
the case that satanists aren't pagan (there is no subset of satanism
which is also a subset of neopaganism).

>(Which brings up the question, why are we really arguing
>about this here?  Is this really just a satanic plot. :-) After all,
>they do profess to be rebellious and adversarial, what better way to
>fluster the neopagans than to go around saying "see, we are the same.")

One of the best sinister tricks is to encourage enlightenment by
shaking someones presumptions, especially if you can do it with
a truth.

>Okay, you and I at least agree on allowing them to be who they are,
>but on what issues are they being excluded?  And are these issues from
>which we would exclude other non neopagan relgions?

I belong to a magical group that at one of our semi-annual gatherings
there was a rumor going around that there were *gasp* "Satanists"
who were going to be there and they were going to *fall faint*
do a ritual! People were packing up and considering leaving
others were getting together to go to the the director and
wanted her to throw the blighters out ("we can't have any of THIER
KIND practicing thier black magic amonst us white light types").

It finally got explained to these numbskulls that it wasn't
a satanic ritual but a santeria ritual they immediatly
recanted (can't let a hint of racism appear in our
midst now can we) but still were huffy about it. They
would not have allowed an unabashadly sinister ritual
to take place, to the point of plotting to disrupt it and
eject or even injure the practioners.

>Other than some slanderous remarks by pagans, I don't see how
>neopaganism has any real affect on satanic religions.

Fluffy bunnies bite.

>Stephen R. Figgins
>fig@ora.com

-Michael

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