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Questions: oathbound and ravening

To: alt.religion.wicca
From: (Paul Hume)
Subject: Re: Questions: "oathbound" and "ravening"
Date: 28 Feb 2003 07:33:09 -0800

Romauld  wrote in message news:...
> Recently, a script from Paul Hume arrived, in which they said:
> : Gardner was initiated into Co-Masonry (and thus the same line of
> : Masonry as Cat). Co-Masonry is at odds with accepted Freemasonry
> : because the former admits women as Masons, which Masonry under the
> : landmarks accepted by English and US lodges, doesn't.
> Could you cite, please?

Whoof...the Co-Masonic connection Cat might have more readily at hand,
as far as citation.

> : Garnder was an initiate of OTO, though there is some question of which
> : degrees (if any) he took in the full initiation ritual, and which were
> : conferred "at sight" by Crowley, which was his prerogative as Grand
> : Master of the Order. He was a IVo if memory serves. I believe there
> : was reference to his at least taking Minerval from Crowley (Louis
> : Wilkinson assisting), but I myself doubt he took the other degrees in
> : full, even in the Man of Earth triad, since as far as I know there
> : wasn't a temple in the UK equipped to work those rituals at that time.
> I repeat, could you cite?

Primary sources?

You'd need to hit Atlanta, GA, to see if the private collectors with
the initiation certificate and Camp charter could give you a look (I
saw the latter some 5-6 years ago, when in Atlanta and visiting the
owner). The item in Austin is more accessible (the Ransome Collection
being available to the public) but would require digging it out of
their catalogue.

The frontispiece of High Magic's Aid includes a reference to "Scire,
4=7" as the author. Scire was the motto Gardner took in OTO. He
confused the IVo with the 4=7 grade, from the GD/AA structure (still
happens with newbies today). The IVo was conferred in recognition of
his degree in Masonry (which I believe, as aforesaid, was "Co-" rather
than AF&AM).

Secondary...let's see what's on net for quick lookup...

Oh here is an excellent one, and it had a photo of the Camp charter I
referred to. The first
essay on the page is very nice, ties together material, with cites,
from a number of diverse sources (I mostly knew the diverse sources

And the one I'd been looking for when I found the above, Allen
Greenfield's essay on the Gardner-Crowley contact.

> : Documentation in private hands includes things like the charter issued
> : Garnder to operate a "Camp of Minervals," and in another collection
> : his charter as a IVo. The Harry Ransome collection in Austin has at
> : least one letter from GBG to Gerald Yorke, written some months after
> : Crowley's death in December 1947, when Gardner was living in
> : Pennsylvania. Gardner speaks of trying to get the OTO back in
> : operation in Europe, among other plans. His own work in Wicca
> : obviously kicked in and took precedence, which is to our benefit in
> : these latter days, IMO (g).
> I clearly don't know as much about Gardner as I thought; I understood
> that he was living in the Far East at this time, and (among other things)
> writing scholarly works on the subject of Kris knives and their 
> importance in religious practice.

I thought the Kris monograph was during his working years in the
Foreign Service? This was after he retired from that career, and was
back in England. Refreshing my memory on dates at the above essays, I
see Crowther introduced the two magicians in May of 1947, so this was
all in the last 6 months or so of Crowley's life.


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