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Questions about CAW

To: alt.religion.all-worlds
From: (angie)
Subject: Re: Questions about CAW
Date: 27 May 2002 13:04:49 -0700

"the Kajun Hippie"  wrote in message news:...

> Except Missy Gurl here already knew the answers to her own questions.  She's
> been trolling for a while now on other CAW-related fora, including the
> Internest.
You have a very interesting definition of "Trolling."  Yes I (and
others from OMS) have been on the Internest (usually in 3 month
stints). Even now, there is someone from OMS on Internest, and on
every other CAW related e-group that we know about. Why are we there?
We are OMS' "Ministry of CAW Outcasts." We NEVER post - but we read
every post (How can one "Troll" - make trouble - if one never posts?).
We seek those folks who the CAW "casts off." We are there to recruit
them and heal them.  Again, Dana is off course here. We're not
"trolling". We're just reading.

> Angie dear... even if you hadn't been... all you had to do was read the FAQ
> to understand at least SOME of our organizational structure.  What was this,
> your trust-establishing round of questioning?

Numbers are the one thing we haven't seen for awhile (as the last one
of our members who had access to a Scarlet Flame stopped paying dues
to CAW more than a year ago).

So why do we care? You could find out from the website ( ) but you would rather wallow in your preconcieved
prejudiced notions of who and what we are about, than seek the truth.
We care because we, (whether you like it or not) are your water
brothers.  In fact, that document (uploaded to one of the groups we
are monitoring by Oberon himself) describes the OMS almost to a "T".
Of course, we believe in "catanative assemblege" and y'all don't. What
a shame.

A bigger shame is the debate going on about it in that particular
group. About who holds the copyright to the name, "Church of All
Worlds" and how they should get an injuction against Oberon and Lisa.
(My opinion: I suspect Virginia Heinlein owns the copyright, though
CAW may have "squatters rights" to the name after 40 years. Funny no
one is talking about going after any of the other "CAW"s that are out
there, just this effort of the Ravenhearts. Sad.

> Don't bother.  CAW folks don't use this ng much, and newbies know nothing
> about it.  I *used* to believe that was a real shame...

Well now. We know this as well. Fact is not much of Usenet is used for
what it was originally intended for anymore. But Dave here has been a
faithful moderator of this ng, and I hope someone in CAW appreciates
that. Anyroad, he's an easy mark for a question when we need a "real"
answer. Is that "trolling" too?

Again, we're here because we honestly and sincerely care about you and
love you.

And that is also why I have started CAW - OMS Peace, an email group
where we can all sit down together, both groups, and find some way to
make peace between us.
OMS is growing at a much faster rate than CAW is. In 40 years you have
400 members. We've been around only since 1998, and we have 100 (and
up to a year or so ago we weren't really trying -- we are now).  Do
the math. We will start running into each other at Starwood, and
Ancient Ways and other places. I think it's time we started acting
like water kin, and thre is no real reason not to. If you are
interested in Peace, send an email to

I really am who I said I am in my first post -- a student at Oregon
State. I really have written a paper on neo-paganism (and the CAW) for
a class. But I am also a member of OMS.

Thou art God.

In the Mother,
Angie Druid Fulmer /|\
Clerk, Circle of the Beavers Proto-Grove, OMS-RDNA
Corvallis OR

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