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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.mythology,alt.pagan,alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Subject: NCowham: Re: The Sabbatic Goat Date: 23 Sep 1995 04:27:15 -0700 [from alt.magick: Nyk Cowham] In article <43heim$enq@nkosi.well.com> heidrick@well.sf.ca.us "Bill Heidrick" writes: > mandox@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Mogg Morgan") writes: > > >Is the Sabbatic Goat the Celtic Deity Cernunnos? > >So suggests eminent Celtic scholar Anne Ross. > > This is impossible, if you mean historically. Modern usage of the last > few centuries has muddled this, as other things. Cernunnos is the > Roman name for Huon, among other Celtic and pre-celtic european deities. There is no evidence to link Cernunnos with the horned figure depicted on the Gundestrupp bowl. Indeed there is no evidence that the figure is even a god, rather than a simply man wearing antlers for some ritual purpose; the shaman thesis posited by John Matthews may be an equally valid interpretation of the design. The Sabbatic Goat may have several origins via distorted imagery. As is well known ancient pagan iconography often used the motif of the horn as a symbol of power and potency (probably phallic, as in the Chinese belief in the Rhino horn's power as an aphrodisiac). Thus, horned animals were commonly worshipped in the ancient world - an example being the Minoan bull which was ritually sacrificed seasonly in an elaborate ritual. The gods of Sumeria and Akkadia were often depicted with headresses adorned with horns to denote their divine powers. Thus, in terms of archetypal imagery the horn is symbolic of the solar-phallic power of creation and fecundity. How this relates to the Sabbatic tradition, it is very hard to say. It all depends upon the origin of the sabbat. Personally I believe the sabbatic rite was always a syncretic mix of many half forgotten and half understood pagan cults. One possible origin of the Sabbatic goat, however, is that it was the survival of the rites associated with the worship of the Egyptian goat-god (or Ram-god) which Herodotus mentioned. Lewis Spence wrote: "Greek writers furnish us with much graphic material concerning these animal cults, as in some instances they were eye-witnesses of the ritual connected with them. Herodotus states that the god Pan and another goat-like deity were worshipped with a wealth of symbolic display and gorgeous rite as gods of generation and fecundity." (Spence, _Egypt_, p.288). These animal cults *may* have passed along North Africa, along with other Egyptian cults and joined with the cult of Tanit in Carthage giving an offshoot cult which may have travelled to Europe via the Moorish invasion of Spain. It is interesting to note that the magic of the medieval witch was associated with the use of wax effigies or _maumets_ (Mohammets? or Maut, the mother?) which is a method of sympathetic magic most extensively used in Egypt in the form of _Shabti_ magic, or effigy magic. However, this is only one possible origin of the witch cult, but not necessarily the only one. It does provide an explanation of the sabbatic goat (as do a possible connection with the Greek mysteries of Pan and Dionysus). -- Frater Nekronos, 494 ',' "_Babalon he megale, he meter ton pornon_" -- | ^ ** CC public responses to email ** |\ | | |\ /|\ ------------------------------------------------ | \ |\ | |/ | TRY : http://www.portal.com/~tyagi/nagasiva.html | | \| | | | | |
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