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From: wivfam@aol.com (WivFam) Newsgroups: alt.philosophy.taoism Subject: Re: Tao and sex Date: 8 May 1997 03:15:44 GMT Ikfox@gte.net (lisa) Wrote ....What I think you're talking about with the male essence being conserved is to increase ching, which leads to production of chi, which is the life force. Is this close? Interestingly enough, today in my perusals looking for wu-chi, I stumbled across ching. Ching means seed, correct? What strikes me is that religious taoists are taking texts literally when they read conserving seed. Then I got one o' dem flash thingies and saw a parallel with the quest for immortality and how the ancient alchemists literally thought they could live in their physical bodies forever. In my opinion only (everyone is entitled to one) it's missing the point. When it says conserve seeds it means to let ideas (potentialities as seeds) incubate before they sprout. ----snip---- I have to disagree with much of this, having studied Chi Gung for some time I know ching, or Jing to be something different. Every energy channel in your body connects in the lower Dan Tien (the energy reservoir below the belly button.) When a relatively advanced practitioner concentrates on the lower dan tien and relaxes, his spirit moves down to the lower dan tien, and is in direct communication with all the parts of the body at once, so that it acts as though it was just one big cell. Wherever your awareness is, that's where your spirit is concentrated. When you concentrate long enough on the dan tien and breathe deeply while relaxed, your chi "burns" to produce Jing. This is a different kind of chi which other people can feel. It is a higher level of energy. It can even be expelled through your finger tips. Excessive ejaculation is considered unhealthy because the male loses a great deal of his chi during ejaculation. This is probably because chi moves most easily in circles and spirals, and the male's member is rather pointy. The female's is round. If the male has trained his body to refine the sexual energy upwards, this energy will go up into his body rather than out through the sexual organ. He will not ejaculate. He then loses nothing and gains much, because the energy aroused during sexual intercourse is very nourishing. I am not speaking here of semen. Many western academics have misinterpreted this to mean that the male wishes to nourish the rest of his body with his semen. I am speaking of the combination of nerve energy and chi which is sexual energy. You can theoretically have an orgasm anywhere in your body. The same goes for the female. The male essence that you speak of is the hormonal essence stored in the gonads which regulates the life cycle and production of sexual fluids, etc. It is built into the human organism that it will live a certain amount of time, then die. Having frequent orgasms is like burning a cord of wood in a fireplace rather than a wood stove. You'll burn the cord up much faster, and it actually makes the house cooler in the long run, whereas burning a cord of wood in a wood stove is very efficient, and heats the whole house. It lasts longer too. In the end, you only have a cord of wood, but you can make it burn efficiently or inefficiently. It's your choice. All of these things require a great deal of internal awareness, which one develops over time. As to physical immortality, this is a neo-taoist concept. Much of the Taoist canon, consisting of thousands of books, is couched in vague, coded, metaphorical terminology. This was intended to prevent the information from falling into the hands of greedy selfish people where it might cause much harm. Hence much of it was misinterpreted even by the Chinese. We don't have to rely upon vague metaphors any more. The information is out there if you just do a little work to find it. What before was esoterica is now in public hands. Times are different now and we need spiritual traditions to bring the world back into balance. -Dave
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