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From tyagi@bjt.net Sat Nov 16 18:37:25 1996 Return-Path: tyagi@bjt.net Received: from kudonet.com (kudonet.com [165.227.52.1]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21304 for; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 18:37:19 -0500 Received: by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA24892; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 14:29:40 -0800 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 14:29:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199611162229.OAA24892@kudonet.com> To: tyagi@hollyfeld.org Subject: 9611.sex-mgk.dg From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Status: O >Newsgroups: alt.magick.chaos >Path: kudonet.com!news.scruz.net!noos.hooked.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!dougg >From: dougg@netcom.com (dagon productions) >Subject: Re: Need help with evocation! >Message-ID: >Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] >References: <5658v3$s9@o.online.no> <56avn4$acm@sloth.swcp.com> >Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:11:01 GMT >Lines: 78 >Sender: dougg@netcom6.netcom.com dagon productions (dougg@netcom.com) wrote: : J B Bell (cipher@swcp.com) wrote: : : In article <5658v3$s9@o.online.no>, Toreador wrote: : : >I'm currently experimenting with the techniques for evocation found in : : >"Liber Null & Psychonomicon". : : Probably _Liber Null & Psychonaut_. The _Psychonomicon_ is a different : : book, apparently currently being republished. : At this juncture in time the correctly titled _Pseudonomicon_ has : not been republished. There was some talk about it for a time but : other projects took precedence. I will look into it and let amc : know as soon as I check with Phil HIne. I thought I should correct a possible error here. _Liber Kaos_ was originally titled _Liber Kaos - The Psychonomicon_ in it's first private pressing. _Liber Kaos_ is still in print through Samuel Weiser. : : >My routine is as follows: I create a sigil : : >to represent the entity and the things it will be doing. After that I : : >"power" it up by gazing at it during an orgasm. (I'm no good at magickal : : >trances) Then I banish by laughter. I've been doing this a few times to : : >create and strenghten this entity\spirit, but it doesn't seem to, well, : : >live yet. The task of this being is, by the way, to make a very special : : >person like me more. Suggestions on how my technique can be made more : : >powerful? : : Hmm, sounds like you're certainly using the right technique. Keep in : : mind that sex & love magick is notoriously tricky. Even if you don't : : think it's unethical, there are traps for the unwary, possibly because : : love & sex are generally topics about which it's excruciatingly hard to : : be honest with oneself about. (I speak from bitter personal experience. : : Sigh.) : : There are more sigil techniques in Frater U.D.'s aptly titled _Practical : : Sigil Magick_. Maybe a change in how you're making your sigil will help : : you avoid lust of result. : : Given all that, it's pretty much impossible to compel someone against : : their will with magick. If it doesn't work after a while, I hate to say : : it, but it probably Wasn't Meant to Be. Of course, you should also be : : combining conventional whiles with your magickal work, but you already : : knew that. : Though I wouldn't use the terms "impossible" and "Wasn't meant to be" : since I firmly beleive that situations such as this may be highly : improbable they are not necessarily impossible. : An approach that has worked best for myself has been to manifest traits : that would make you desirable to the intended. It is easier to : change yourself than another person. Servitors to arrest nervousness : and self consciousness have also proven invaluable. : : >Oh, by the way: Whtmagick, if you read this, DON'T bother to respond. I'm : : >not interested in your books. Ever. : : An obnoxious man. May I suggest: : : in ~/News/alt/magick/KILL: : : /whtmagick@aol.com/h:j : : >-Toreador : : Note, I've directed followups to alt.magick.chaos, which is a little more : : appropriate for this topic. : : --JB : : Rev. J B Bell | Eschatek | ____ : : cipher@eschatek.com | Tools & Technologies | \bi/ : : http://www.eschatek.com/~cipher | for a Changing & Doomed Planet | \/ : : Usenet News Sanity Rx: ~/News/KILL: /^Newsgroups: .*,.*,.*,./h:,
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