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From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva)
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Date: 27 Nov 1995 11:13:04 -0800
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ky951127

[me:]
>  > I think this is only partially true.  First off, the thuggees were
>  > a religious cult who set about strangling/sacrificing foreigners at
>  > a time in India when being foreign typically meant imperialism. 

>  > Secondly, the British exterminated that cult wholesale and without
>  > mercy.  
  
dcohen@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Daniel Cohen") writes:
>I doubt if you are correct here. 

It is quite possible that I am mistaken, Daniel-san.


>Do you have detailed historical references? 

Okeedoke.  _Secret Societies_, ed. by NMackKenzie.  Chapter 3, 'Thuggee'.
In the text, David Annan explains that they didn't kill people who were 
local to their village/environments.  They killed 'foreigners' in this sense,
though they were *afraid of the Europeans* for fear of retribution.  Annan
indicates that this *was* discovered by British imperialists.  

Therefore my first point, while ambiguous, is accurate according to Annan.

I will not attempt to substantiate the second point.  It is widely known.


>As far as I am aware, the thuggee mostly killed Indians (as,
>indeed, one would expect, given the number of English in the country).

I gather that is probably correct.  By 'foreigner' I meant 'anyone who was
not from their region' (whether Indian or some other cultural background,
though I was slightly confused about whether any Euros were victims).

Thank you for calling me on that one.  Been a while since I looked into it.

tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com
nagasiva
--------

"This -- thing of ours -- how much can you actually do with it?"
	
"That depends on your mind, Garion.  The complexity of it lies in the 
 complexity of the mind that puts it to use.  Quite obviously, it can't do 
 something that can't be imagined by the mind that focuses it.  That was the 
 purpose of our studies -- to expand our minds so that we could use the 
 power more fully."
	
"Everybody's mind is different, though."  Garion was struggling toward an idea.
	
"Yes."
	
"Would that mean that -- this thing --" He shied away from the world "power."  
 "What I mean is, is it different?  Sometimes you do things, and other times 
 you have Aunt Pol do them."
	
Wolf nodded.  "It's different in each one of us.  There are certain things we 
 can all do.  We can all move things, for example.... And as I said before, 
 just because you *can* do something doesn't necessarily mean that you 
 *should*."
	
Garion sighed.  "I'm afraid this is going to take a very long time, 
 Grandfather." he said.  "I have to learn how to keep myself under control;
 I have to learn what I can't do, so I don't kill myself trying to do 
 something that is impossible; I have to learn what I can do and what I 
 should do...."

_Magician's Gambit_, by David Eddings (Book Three of The Belgariad),
                     Ballantine Books, 1983; pp. 115-17.
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