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Emulation/Salvation and Will

To: fiatlvx@cmns.think.com (Christian Magick Elist)
From: nagasiva 
Subject: Emulation/Salvation and Will (Was Re: Will and Christian Magick)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 04:11:43 -0800 (PST)

kaliyuga
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|From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut)
|Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:32:38 -0500

[Mark]
|>...to _become_ Jesus, Lord and Saviour.  

|>...by repentance (literally, "turning") and by the power of the breath
|>of God (or Spirit) within us, we continually strive to align ourselves with
|>the Godhead through the person of Christ, always seeking to act in unison
|>with the continual action of God.  In doing so, we become Christlike, or --
|>depending on your use of terms -- we actually become Christ.

Through that process, yes, and some feel that this turning includes what
is called 'witnessing', which I gather is essential to martyrdom, though
I'm only beginning to understand it.


|...I see myself as trying ...to become more Christ-like each day.

You might enjoy a book called _Lost Christianity_, by Jacob Needleman.
In it he describes some of the pitfalls on the journey of emulation.
The author's thesis includes, if my memory serves, the notion that
the endpoint may not be the same as the process, and that we may not
benefit from trying to reproduce the results rather than to engage the
journey which the life of Our Lord implies through metaphor (thus the 
emphasis on parable as His method of instruction).  

I.e. trying to be *Christ-like* may not lead to the same place as Jesus
and may actually prove impossible.  In our yearning to reproduce the 
state we may bypass the process which will lead us to it.  Siezing on
the glory of Salvation, we try to achieve it when in fact it may be
graced unto us only as a result of our repentance and patient endurance.

Compare this with the path described by the Buddha.  Traditional
teachings do not indicate to me that Salvation is had through the 
attempted reproduction of the Savior's life (an impossible task for 
all of us who acknowledge we are not ourselves the Sons of God issued 
forth from the Godhead).  Instead a mystery is presented in the story
of the Lord, and especially in His teachings, and how these may be
applied fruitfully in our lives.

A path is clearly laid out within the Gospels, isn't it?  Something
about selling all one has, and giving proceeds to the impoverished,
becoming as the little child, things like that.  I'd love to hear
these elaborated, as I think they may be important preparation for 
magical work.


[re: the Will of God]
 
|...they're just helpful concepts for a reality that is beyond complete 
|understanding.  We can try, but it's more important to get in synch with 
|it, rather than worrying about its nature.  

Yes, several times my teachers have indicated to me that understanding
the mechanics of the interaction is less important than direct application
of the principles themselves, coming to 'know' it through experience rather
than merely through our heads.


|Listowner of the Minister's Discussion List 

If you'd like to say something about this elist, I'd like to hear more
about it.  

Thank you for your time.

tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com
nagasiva

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