a cache of usenet and other text files pertaining
to occult, mystical, and spiritual subjects.


Shamata/Vipassana vs. Dzogchen.

To: alt.meditation,alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan
From: (Bill Dintzis)
Subject: Re: Shamata/Vipassana vs. Dzogchen.
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:36:06 GMT (   A   ) wrote:

>In article <4lm17s$> (Rich Haller) writes:

>   Is togal the same thing that Pema Chodron calls tonglen in "Start Where
>   You Are"?


OK time for some basic definitions.

Pema Chodron is talking about tong-len, "sending and taking" or "exchanging self
for others", which is part of lojong, or "mind-training."  Tong-len is a basic
mahayana practice, which by the way is also taught as a Dzogchen preliminary

Togal is part of the traditional two aspects of Dzogchen completion-stage
practice, which is divided into trekcho ("cutting through" of concepts of mind,
etc) and togal (luminous seeing).

Tong-len , which the book you are talking about describes, is a very important,
powerful, and beneficial practice, which is said to enhance the discovery of
twofold egolessness (egolessness of self and other), as well as cultivate
bodhicitta (the heart motivation of enlightenment).  If you want paralells, it
is similar to the metta practice in Theravada (Insight meditation) also.  It
could be said to be part of trekcho (cutting through) aspect of Dzogchen,
because it cuts through the artificial concepts of self and others.  Therefore,
it will enhance the understanding and experience of togal when and if one gets
to that poing (togal is usually kept secret until the Dzogchen master decides
the student is ready for it.)

The Arcane Archive is copyright by the authors cited.
Send comments to the Arcane Archivist:

Did you like what you read here? Find it useful?
Then please click on the Paypal Secure Server logo and make a small
donation to the site maintainer for the creation and upkeep of this site.

The ARCANE ARCHIVE is a large domain,
organized into a number of sub-directories,
each dealing with a different branch of
religion, mysticism, occultism, or esoteric knowledge.
Here are the major ARCANE ARCHIVE directories you can visit:
interdisciplinary: geometry, natural proportion, ratio, archaeoastronomy
mysticism: enlightenment, self-realization, trance, meditation, consciousness
occultism: divination, hermeticism, amulets, sigils, magick, witchcraft, spells
religion: buddhism, christianity, hinduism, islam, judaism, taoism, wicca, voodoo
societies and fraternal orders: freemasonry, golden dawn, rosicrucians, etc.


There are thousands of web pages at the ARCANE ARCHIVE. You can use ATOMZ.COM
to search for a single word (like witchcraft, hoodoo, pagan, or magic) or an
exact phrase (like Kwan Yin, golden ratio, or book of shadows):

Search For:
Match:  Any word All words Exact phrase


Southern Spirits: 19th and 20th century accounts of hoodoo, including slave narratives & interviews
Hoodoo in Theory and Practice by cat yronwode: an introduction to African-American rootwork
Lucky W Amulet Archive by cat yronwode: an online museum of worldwide talismans and charms
Sacred Sex: essays and articles on tantra yoga, neo-tantra, karezza, sex magic, and sex worship
Sacred Landscape: essays and articles on archaeoastronomy, sacred architecture, and sacred geometry
Lucky Mojo Forum: practitioners answer queries on conjure; sponsored by the Lucky Mojo Curio Co.
Herb Magic: illustrated descriptions of magic herbs with free spells, recipes, and an ordering option
Association of Independent Readers and Rootworkers: ethical diviners and hoodoo spell-casters
Freemasonry for Women by cat yronwode: a history of mixed-gender Freemasonic lodges
Missionary Independent Spiritual Church: spirit-led, inter-faith, the Smallest Church in the World
Satan Service Org: an archive presenting the theory, practice, and history of Satanism and Satanists
Gospel of Satan: the story of Jesus and the angels, from the perspective of the God of this World
Lucky Mojo Usenet FAQ Archive: FAQs and REFs for occult and magical usenet newsgroups
Candles and Curios: essays and articles on traditional African American conjure and folk magic
Aleister Crowley Text Archive: a multitude of texts by an early 20th century ceremonial occultist
Spiritual Spells: lessons in folk magic and spell casting from an eclectic Wiccan perspective
The Mystic Tea Room: divination by reading tea-leaves, with a museum of antique fortune telling cups
Yronwode Institution for the Preservation and Popularization of Indigenous Ethnomagicology
Yronwode Home: personal pages of catherine yronwode and nagasiva yronwode, magical archivists
Lucky Mojo Magic Spells Archives: love spells, money spells, luck spells, protection spells, etc.
      Free Love Spell Archive: love spells, attraction spells, sex magick, romance spells, and lust spells
      Free Money Spell Archive: money spells, prosperity spells, and wealth spells for job and business
      Free Protection Spell Archive: protection spells against witchcraft, jinxes, hexes, and the evil eye
      Free Gambling Luck Spell Archive: lucky gambling spells for the lottery, casinos, and races