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JGraham: Influences on Zen??

To: alt.philosophy.zen,alt.zen,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.misc
From: Joe 
Subject: Re: JGraham: Influences on Zen?? (for michael)
Date: 30 Jun 1997 14:26:50 GMT

daniel  wrote:
>Well, I was out of line with my comment.  Everyone once in a while, just
> when I think I am getting it together,..  

>I apologize.

No problem.

>Imagine that someone came along and reached "enlightenment" (whatever 
>that is) on their own.  Would they be an "Honorary Buddist?"  Would 
>they be a Buddist?  If not, then what would this enlightened person 
>have to do to become one?   How would someone stop being one?

To be a Buddhist means you accept the teachings of the Buddha
and the Buddhist tradition.  It refers much more to a particular
spiritual *path* than a goal.  If you dedicate yourself to this
path, then you're a Buddhist.  

"Enlightenment" is not really the issue.  Heck, I prostrate to
the ground before *anyone* who has truly realized and manifests
the essential oneness of us all.  Wouldn't give a hoot *what*
they are.  Such a person you would recognize by certain unmistakeable
qualities.  For one, they certainly wouldn't announce to you
that they were "enlightened".  Secondly, they wouldn't profess
to know everything about your religion when they clearly hadn't
the faintest idea.  In other words, you'd expect a certain
degree of modesty, humility, and self-control from a genuinely
enlightend individual (the fact that I am sorely lacking in these
departments speaks for itself).  Well, suffice to say that
these qualities are notably absent in the people I was talking
about (which is not to say they don't have potential, of course.)

Many thanks for your kind words,


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