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To: soc.religion.eastern
From: tyagi nagasiva
Subj: Buddhism 
Date: 49930115 

Quoting: |Abhay

If you are suggesting that there may be other, less direct
means of meditating with a Western mind, I agree completely.  In
Tibetan Buddhism and Western Occultism they have worked out rather
complex and engulfing practices of ritual and meditation INVOLVING
images.  Perhaps this would suit you more.

|>How do we get beyond, transcend, release, abandon, dispense with, or
|>avoid our feelings of fear, anxiety and lust?  We don't.
|Why not ? We CAN. That may be difficult, but once we realise the
|illusory nature or baselessness of various concepts, we *might* start 
|to see the illusory nature of the material world as well.

I encourage you to try, if you think that feelings like fear can be
avoided.  I submit that they will simply be submerged and shall arise
in other areas of your life (as in anxiety).  To me these are both
SYMPTOMS of a larger problem which won't dissappear because we've
addressed their outward manifestation.

What is illusion and what is reality?  DOES the 'material world' have
an 'illusory nature'?  Where?  What is it like?  There are of course
common ideas, but I'm hard-pressed to justify them.

|How is a desire for more money a powerful opportunity 
|even if I realise that the desire is there and accept it ?

One can either restrict oneself (and therefore engage discipline) or
one can indulge oneself (and thereby engage enjoyment).  Either will
eventually bring release, yet sometimes a combination or sequence
is required for a more timely success.

Our feelings, desires, are opportunities in that they offer us a
place where we can see we need to learn and engage processes which
may inspire growth (or shrinkage!).  The real danger is in not
seeing our feelings at all.

|>Anxiety is the symptom of disharmony between oneself and all else.
|Isn't anxiety the same as fear ?

Is it?  I don't mean the same thing by my words.  When I speak of fear I
mean a dread which inspires in me either a desire to escape/hide, or
intense anger.  When I say 'anxiety' I mean a deep uneasiness, without
known catalyst.  These are related, to be sure, but I think fear usually
has some inspiring object (note the phrase 'afraid OF').

(c) 1993
tyagi nagasiva

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