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From: silverkey@silverkey.chaosmagic.com (rem)
Subject: Re: Randolph, Naglowska, North
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:39:14 GMT

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:25:28 GMT, catherine yronwode
 wrote:

>The Tao wrote:
>> 
>> "catherine yronwode"  wrote:

>     Dr. Massimo Introvigne has pointed out to me Mario Praz's
>     conclusion in "The Romantic Agony" that one of the major 
>     ritual sections of "Magia Sexualis" that can not be found 
>     in Randolph's works is derived from Josephin Peladan's 
>     novel "A Couer Perdu." See his "Il Cappelo del Mago: I 
>     Nuovi Movimenti, Dallo Spiritismo at Satanismo (Milan: 
>     SugarCo Ed. 1990), 100. [...]
>
>So de Naglowska got this initiatic material from a novel -- which leads
>one to wonder about who wrote the novel, and what sources the novelist
>consulted, and so forth. 
>
Catherine,

Josephin Peladan was a well known figure of french "fin-de-siecle"
occultism. He was one of the leading members of Stanislas de Guaita's
"Ordre de la Rose-Croix Kabbalistique", but he later broke with him to
create his own "Ordre de la Rose Croix Catholique", whis was AFAIK,
more an artistic movement than an order in the conventional meaning of
the term. The musician Eric Satie was close (member?) to this group
during some time, probably when he wrote his piece "Premiere pensee
Rose+Croix".
As for Peladan's sources, I don't really know, but the main influences
on french occultism at that time were Levi and Martinism.
As for Maria de Naglowska, I dont know a lot about her, but I have
heard that a well known french writer about alchemy (Claude d'Ygé) was
a member of her group.

rem

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From: silverkey@silverkey.chaosmagic.com (rem)
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Subject: Re: Randolph, Naglowska, North
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:55:20 GMT, catherine yronwode
 wrote:


>Thank you very much, Rem! I appreciate your help with this international
>reasearch. Did de Guaita's Ordre de la Rose-Croix Kabbalistique or
>Peladan's Ordre de la Rose Croix Catholique publish manuscripts of their
>rites -- or is it safe to assume that the stuff de Naglowska lifted from
>the Peladan novel was but a thinly disguised ritual from one of these
>two orders? 
>


I'm afraid I cannot reply you about publication of rituals: I never
heard about it, but I might be wrong.

An other interesting possibility to investigate would be the connexion
between french occult groups and HB of L, which, if I understand it
well, is more or les connected with Randolph (I never understood the
relationships, if any existed, between Eulis brotherhood, brotherhood
of light and HB of L: too much brotherhoods!). At least one of the
members of the papus-de guaita-peladan circle was close to Max Theon,
who was the leader of HB of L, his name was Charles Barlet. (web page
about him at : http://www.kheper.auz.com/topics/Theon/Barlet.html)
Peladan could have learned some things while discussing with Barlet,
but frankly, I doubt it: Peladan was more fascinated by the esthetic
aspects of occultism, but i don't think he was deeply involved in it.

Rem