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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.magick.goetia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.satanism,alt.pagan.magick From: satanservice.org@boboroshi (SOD of the CoE) Subject: Spirits and Volitional Dynamics Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:44:33 GMT 50030217 VII Hail Satan! "SwAmI"wrote about a botherseome demon: >>> What if it already has a name? Can i give it a new one? a name is a tool by which you may interact with any agent. if an agent has a name, then discovering this may afford one leverage in the case that that name still holds power with respect to said agent (agents may attempt to keep such names hidden, concealed, or obscured from view so as to prevent anyone attaining this leverage). in other cases, *former* names may yield no advantage on account of the change of overall composition of the agent in question and its development of a new name. discovering the newer name (esp. if concealed) will assist one here. giving an agent a name can be a very powerful way to find advantage with respect to it. it may become the means by which one achieves communication with and finds symbolic identification in said agent despite what it may purport and truly believe its true name may be. this is directly related to the volitional power of the mage and how well and powerfully-projected the name may be in use so as to influence the agent to which it is applied. very powerful mages may issue reformatting names to agents and thereby catalyze a complete rectification/disruption of character. thus the first thing you should do is get a good idea of your overall volitional power as a magician. granted you have achieved this, I respond to your query according to whether you are: * naive or weak-willed, a beginner the chances are good that any name you select will not have a transformative effect upon the agent. that said, the name you select may serve a facilitating role, especially if you assert the character of appearance associated with the name you provide (e.g. a perceptual character of beauty or kindliness rather than one horrific and intimidating) * of indeterminate volitional strength, an aspirant giving the agent a name will not only provide it with a 'handle' by which it may approach you on your terms, it may serve to seed the whole condition of your interaction; the dissonance between any original name provided by the agent and the one you provide may or may not be helpful to the resolution of your relations. watch the character of the agent in response to the address and, after a few interactions, decide whether to utilize the agent's specified name, the one you've given it, or some new one that you can now discern may be more conducive to getting where you want with it. * of great volitional strength, a master the master sets the terms of interaction, and any determined name utilized by the master will serve to reformat and recast the character of the agent to which this new name is applied. it is for this reason that the master is careful in the selection of any name used in opposition, or adversely-aligned, to that proposed by the agent itself; the name selected contains within it the seed of the master's desired outcome (if any seed and/or outcome is selected). "Tom" : >> Of course it has a name, in the sense I was talking about. >> It has a nature and a proper place which is represented >> as its name. What's for you to do is find out what that >> name is. lovely. thanks, Tom. uncited (Tom?): >>>> Binding them to their assigned place is keeping their power >>>> directed to its proper purpose. if such binding is possible and warranted. an agent may not be so easily-discerned as "demon" or "angel" in some dualistic sense. only those who have mapped out their cosmological scheme may be able to distinguish categorically, and then with as much value as their mapping bears resemblance to the real. add to this the variable power wielded by any mage and spirit, and it is not necessarily the best tactic to attempt a binding (it might not work and the agent might become more caustic). in general a guide for proceeding with agents could vary based on how they appear: * antagonistic and/or corrosive attempt to become shielded from corrosion and limit the extend of their influences through deriving power from guides/gods/tools and enhancing position with amulets/sigils/spells. * strange, fantastic, but of indeterminate visage attempt to understand how their appearance is related to their nature so as to determine their overall character and just how far to trust them. it may be that perceptual manipulation is one of their skills, in which case pay more attention to the CONTENT of their expression, as long as they aren't attempting to be violent/coercive, and the extend and character of their power and authority. * supportive and/or beneficent respond as befits your station and power with respect to the agent as you know it: should it be in some specific relation to your God, for example, then one need have little protection or attempt to manipulate it beyond what is considered due for that God's purpose/aim. some mages, for example, are given positions of power within their God's cosmologic schema, and therefore are duly provided/required to give the supportive agent instructions as to its activities immediately following contact. some Gods don't presuppose a hierarchy, and thus kindness and mutual aid may be warranted, for example. as always, developing one's volitional fortitude through focussing and expressive exercizes (meditation, and the practice of deliberative and regular expression such as in arts like the martial, aesthetic or published) allows a greater breadth of potential response to agents of all sorts (i.e. the referent 'agent' within this post need not be just spirits/demons/whatever-you-think-they-are). >>> OK. Well then maybe i should go ahead and make its sigil then. symbolizing (in vulgar or other languages -- barbaric?) agents and their energies allows integration to rites intending to incorporate these agents for some reason. tying it to a captivating container (e.g. the Triangle of Art or some bottle, ring, or urn) by placing one's sigil-construct near or into the container itself, for example, is a time-honoured use of names/sigils for unruly or morally-suspect agents. >>> I am just a little suspicious why it would want to be bound. it might not. however, if your volitional strength is sufficient, then it may not have a choice. alternatively, if it seeks no harm to you and/or has an important relation to your God, then binding it might be something that it will welcome on account of your attentions and further interaction (i.e. you begin to fear its wildness less and it takes you more seriously). >> It wants to be recognized and indulged. Binding it is the >> first part of that process, recognition, but properly handled, >> a binding will not indulge the demon. Clumsily handled, the >> demon becomes an obsession, demanding more or less constant >> indulgence. it sounds like Tom knows your situation pretty well. I haven't observed the entire consultation so it is difficult for me to discern the truth of this. "SwAmI" : > This sounds like my situation to a degree. I might already be > Obssessed or something similar. It seeks constant attention > and finds painful ways of getting that attention if it is > not given. So its a battle of wills in a way. thus the category of parasite is at least an applicable one for the agent of which you speak. attention-seeking is not necessarily of an entirely-adversarial mode. painful means of attaining said attention do tend to qualify, however. > This is why i refused to make it a sigil because wouldnt > i be giving into its will if i do so? that depends on your intent in making the sigil. some sigils could be utilized for the purposes of bringing wayward agents to bear, to 'heel' so to speak, or behave. this might require your mustering of dissuasive energies to combat the alien intelligence and give it reason to desist in its tortures. > I want to bind it because its causing no end of trouble for > me. sensible, as long as you have the relation and ability. > But is it causing the trouble to force me into making > its sigil? does the concept of creating the sigil come from the agent, or from experts you are consulting? is there some reason to think that the agent has some relation to those whom you are consulting or is in some way influencing your percepts such that you could differentiate the advice's origins? if so, then the motivations for the agent's aggressiveness may be more easily understood and addressed. > Basically what i mean is: Would i be giving in to its demands > by making the sigil these are the questions I would ask of you in response: did it demand that you make such a sigil? did it demand power, over and above attention? if it didn't demand the sigil, then you can ascertain that you aren't shifting in tune to its demands. if it did, is there some reason to think it may be attempting some kind of reverse-psychology given that you're receiving advice that sigil-creation is a means of effectively handling the interaction with the agent? if so, 'giving into its demands' might coincide with an effective solution to your problem, and the agent is just confusing the issue. > and does this give it any power i > wouldnt want it to have? making a sigil to represent the agent should only prove problematic, magically, if you somehow use the sigil to intensify the problems it is causing you. for example, if one is being possessed by a demon, and then makes a dimensional-gateway-sigil to intensify the connection between the demon and the magician, then this would be an example of a mistaken context for the creation of a sigil to name or somehow identify the demon. the work of the Philosophus is, in part, the discernment of the location of power and authority. if you treat the harrying by adversarial agents as tests placed before you by a Cosmic God (regardless of the truth of this theory), then you may faciliate a more proper response on your part to the conditions which prevail (Jobian, ostensibly). > ...What connection is there, if any, between the > Shadow and "demons"? 'demons' is too general a category to solidify in relation to the Shadow by my understanding. it is possible to take the operation of the Shadow as disconnected from its variant extentions and thereby project an entire embattled magical perspective (e.g. Dr. Strange?) whereas refinement to a single adversary may provide a context for effective response and spiritual maturation. > ...It looks like i am ging to have to study Evocation a lot > more than i already have.... that might be valuable in the event you wish to have some kind of moderated interaction at some remove. blessed beast! boboroshi at-sign satanservice.org: Satanic Outreach Director Church of Euthanasia: http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/ TOKUS WEBLINKS: http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/B/boboroshi Ninth Scholar's Library (Satanism Archive): http://www.satanservice.org/
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