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To: Christian Magick Elist From: tyagi mordred nagasivaSubject: Re: Sorcery Date: Kali Yuga 49941101 Quoting: |anonymous |>unknown |> Gal 5:19-21 (NRSV) Now the works of the flesh are obvious: |> fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, ^^^^^^^ |> strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions, envy, |> drunkenness, carousing, and things like these. I am warning you, as I |> warned you before: those who do such things will not inherit the |> kingdom of God. |What are the thoughts of people in this group on sorcery? My initial thoughts: The various terms used for occult sciences and arts have often been applied by detractors and oppressors, sometimes those who knew very little of either language or of the discipline. For this reason there is little consistency in how these terms are used, especially when used negatively. They tend to be used as synonyms and applied against what I'd call 'competing religious forms'. |How do you define it? I'll take this two ways. First as a question of method, second as one of personal preference. I usually use the first to determine the second. I haven't done this in a while. Your posts gives me incentive to do it again with these terms. A. Method 1) I look in my Bible (Am. Heritage Dictionary) and see what my culture has to say about the matter. Here's what I found this morning: # sorcerer...n. A person who practices sorcery; wizard. [ME *sorser* # < OFr. *sorcier* < VLat. *sortiarius* < Lat. *sors*, lot, chance.] # # sorcery...n. The use of supernatural power over others through the # assistance of evil spirits; witchcraft.... # # wizard...n. 1. A sorcerer or magician. 2. A skillful or clever person: # *a wizard at math.* 3. *Archaic*. A wise man or sage. # -adj. 1. Of or pertaining to wizards or wizardry. 2. *Chiefly Brit*. # Excellent. [ME *wysard* < *wys*, wise < OE *wis*] # # magician...n. 1. A sorcerer; wizard. 2. One who performs magic for # entertainment or diversion. 3. One whose skill or art seems to be # magical: *a magician with words*. # # magic...n. 1. The art that purports to control or forecast natural # events, or forces by invoking the supernatural. 2. a. The practice # of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural # effects or to control events in nature. b. The charms, spells, and # rituals so used. 3. The exercise of slight of hand or conjuring for # entertainment. 4. A mysterious quality of enchantment: *the magic of # the distant past*. [ME *magik* < OFr. *magique* < LLat. *magice* < # Gk. *magike* < *magus*, magician. -- see MAGUS.] # # magus...n., pl. ma-gi... 1. A member of the Zoroastrian priestly caste # of the Medes and Persians. 2. Magus. Of the three wise men from the # East who traveled to Bethlehem to pay homage to the infant Jesus. # 3. A sorcerer; magician. [ME < Lat. *magus*, sorcerer < Gk. *magos* # < Pers. *magus*.] -- ma'gi-an...n. # # witchcraft...n. 1. Black magic; sorcery. 2. A magical or irresistible # influence, attraction, or charm. # # witch...n. 1. A woman who practices sorcery or is believed to have # dealings with the devil. 2. An ugly, vicious old woman; hag. # 3. *Informal*. A bewitching young woman or girl. -tr. v. 1. To work # or cast a spell upon; bewitch. 2. To cause, bring, or effect by # witchcraft. [ME *wicche* < OE *wicce*, witch and < OE *wicca*, # wizard.] 2) I take what I found, what I've been told, what I have experienced and what I imagine and enjoy the exploration. a) what I found - There appears to be a synonym-structure here among the terms as they are used within my Bible. The term 'sorcery' appears to relate in root to the idea of lots or chance. The act of sorcery or the role of being a sorcerer appears to be seen (in relation to 'wizard' and to 'magician') in both positive and negative lights. On the one hand it is associated with wisdom and on the other with 'evil' or 'the devil'. {This latter would certainly explain the passage in _The Bible_.} It also appears that sorcery is associated with some sort of manipulation of what are called here 'natural events', a type of power derived of 'the supernatural'. b) what I've been told - I've been told that there has often been a very intense conflict between 'sorcerers' or 'magicians', on the one hand, and 'priests' (esp. Christian) on the other, usually on the basis of the association of sorcery with 'evil' and 'the devil'. I've been told that at least 'Magick' is both Science and Art, that it may be seen as a kind of tool or energy, and that it is or may be associated with Jewish, Christian and Muslim mystical practices. I've been told that those 'Three Magi' were also called 'The Three Wise Men', and that they were indeed somehow associated with Persian religion. I've been told that the stage performance of magic is a lost element of the artful mystique of Magick, and that the Science involves ceremony, tools and a kind of in-depth study. I've been told that witches ride brooms, have warts on their noses, have black cats as 'familiars', and enjoy poisoning and eating people, living out in the countryside, especially in the heart of a deep, dark wood. I've been told that that is a myth and that witches are really nature-worshippers who don't hurt people, are often wise in the ways of herbs and medicines, are or have been midwives and counsellors. I've been told that witchcraft is a ceremonial art called 'Wicca' which was largely fabricated by a man named Gerald Gardner in the 1950's and has become a fragmented tradition among what is popularly called the 'Neopagan' religious movement, often supposing itself (inaccurately) to be a replication of pre-Christian religion. c) what I have experienced - this includes too much to relate here in full, though I have met nobody besides myself who associated with the term 'sorcerer'. I have at one time corresponded briefly with an organization which characterized itself as a 'Sorcerer's Guild', and they weren't clear in either their concepts or in their terminology. I have heard the term 'sorcerer' used in popular fiction and fantasy, as well as in other media and in games. I remember quite vividly the part in Disney's 'Fantasia' in which 'the Sorcerer's Apprentice' appeared (Mickey Mouse), and his master was portrayed as an old man in robes with long beard, if memory serves. I have met and spoken with many who called themselves 'mage' or some variant thereof. These rarely spoke of sorcery, wizards or wizardry, though their discussion of magic(k) typically included some sort of aspiration toward the divine or manipulation of events/objects using transphysical means. Those I've met who called themselves 'witch' also did not associate with the term 'sorcery', and they usually characterized their activities as worship or as 'magic(k)'. I have never met anyone who called hirself 'wizard', though I do find that my own path may be characterized as Wizardry. d) what I imagine - I imagine that the root terminology of words gives some measure of apprehension of its original meaning. I imagine that the association with 'lots' and 'chance' may have some connection to games, which derived from divination devices. I imagine that there may have been some religious cross-over and rivalry between the Persian Magi and the emergent Judeo-Christian religion - that on the one hand we retain within our culture a reverence for the 'wizard' or 'magician' yet also find these repugnant from certain Christian perspectives (notably those which include or emphasize the concepts of 'evil' or 'the devil'). I imagine that the popular notions regarding 'nature' and 'the supernatural' may not always have applied or apply to the individuals involved with what is called 'sorcery' or 'magic', though that the connection to that 'beyond the natural' may indicate an association to a god or gods which may appear to be antagonistic or to at least compete with the most popular religious paradigm during the development of the language (Christianity). I imagine that the association of witches with women and wizards for men is no mistake, and that in some measure this language indicates a kind of oppression against women, or at least a fear of them, perhaps the projection of the men who may have been responsible for the care and passage of the language and the most popular religious tradition. I imagine that these images of the hag and bewitcher are very important to the modern psyche and that they connect very deeply to any meaings which 'sorcery' might have, especially in that they involve fear and desire. 3) I take all of the above and, incorporating my motives (not completely analyzed here :>), determine my preferences. B. Preference what I like - I like to think of sorcerers as explorers of the diverse realms of consciousness. I contrast them with shamans, preferring a rather anthropological taxonomy in that while sorcerers traverse the hinterlands of their minds they have not perfected a means to bring what they found back into what many would call 'ordinary experience'. When the sorcerer learns to 'ground their explorations in the center of their lives', so to speak, then she is becoming a shaman. I like to think of shamanism as incorporating both modern and primitive forms of worship, divination, and symbology. I like to think of shamans as walking the paths between the worlds (all of them: socio-political, cultural, magico-religious, and even the moral dimensions of evil/good). Shamans live in-between the ordinary world of jobs and families and taxes and foreign policy, and the nonordinary world of demons and angels and djinn and faeries and elementals. I like to associate the INTERSECTION OF ALL WORLDS, OF ALL DUALITIES, with what I call CHRIST, symbolized by the Cross and Crossroads. |Doesn't the above statement condemn Christian magicians/sorcerers? 1) I think it does condemn 'sorcery' as a 'work of the flesh', though what this may mean I am not sure. 2) I'd guess that it actually defines 'Christian sorcerer' as a contra- diction in terms. 3) I gather that this is an English translation of another language, apparently Greek, since 'Galations' is a book in the 'New Testament' of _The Bible_. As such, if we care what the original meant, then we'd have to look pretty closely at the Greek terms and consider them in context to determine if it is a condemnation, what it may in fact be condemning, and whether 'sorcery' is part of this, not to mention whether the individual was attempting to tie in 'Christianity', which I think we may presume from the outset. tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com --------------------------- To: Christian Magick Elist From: tyagi mordred nagasiva Subject: Re: Sorcery Date: Kali Yuga 49941103 Quoting: |unknown | 5331. pharmakeia, far-mak-i'-ah; from G5332; medication ("pharmacy"), | i.e. (by extens.) magic (lit. or fig.):--sorcery, witchcraft. I interpret this two ways: 1) Herbalist/Poisoner The individual in question uses chemicals to influence others. When we benefit by this we call them 'herbalist' or 'doctor'. When we suffer, we call this 'poisoning'. By the overall condemnation meted out in this text I'd have to suppose that 'poisoner' is more likely the intent, though it is true that there has been a severe shift in the medical authority within our culture over the years, passing largely from the hands of women to that of men. 2) Alchemist/Chemo-ritualist The individual in question uses chemicals to influence themselves. When they are doing so to investigate the properties of the chemicals and have a parallel influence on themselves (performing a kind of metaphor), then we call them 'alchemist', from which modern chemistry is derived. When they are using chemicals as tools to achieve certain states of conscious- ness, then I don't think we have a name for this (I use 'sorcerer'), aside from 'drug-user', which, in our 'Just-Say-No' atmosphere, amounts to a criticism. Above I am more judicial, calling them 'chemo-ritualists'. I gather that it is possible that religious differences may have inspired a severe condemnation of either of these endeavors, but the fear inherent in the verse and the obvious reference to influencing OTHER people could only be ascribed to the alchemist of this pair. That deception is a part of the bag (Rev 18:23 being an example here) would seem to support this statement also, in a superstitious sort of way). Conclusion What I gather from reading all of this wonderful research within _The Bible_ is that to a great extent 'sorcery' seems to be heavily laden with meaning and may not function very well for the job of conveying the idea here being presented. Then again, perhaps the sands of time have eroded relevance in text which applied to a culture long ago and far away. In any case I think it can be quite easily resolved by transliterating rather than translating directly. Rather than associating 'sorcery' with the 'pharmacy' (or various other meanings) that its counterparts imply, I'd suggest that we might more easily use 'harmful magick', what the ignorant often call 'black magic(k)': that magick which intends to hurt, deceive or coerce. Beyond this it would seem a religious rivalry which need not apply to us. tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com
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