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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.witchcraft,alt.magick.chaos,alt.pagan.magick
From: usedg
Subject: Magic and Fiction (was Willow, Magic...)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:28:55 GMT
glass@panix.com (Robert Scott Martin):
> ...can authors of magic or religion
presumably A) 'authors of fiction which include or depict magic
or religion as an inherent part of their art'. alternatively,
B) the originators of magic and religion, who may never be seen.
> ever introduce principles
presumably 1) introduce an instruction on principles. alternatively,
2) actually manifest new principles into the cosmic order.
> which do not participate in the techniques and concerns of fiction?
A-1
can authors of fiction which include or depict magic or
religion as an inherent part of their art introduce an
instruction on principles of cosmic behaviour which do
not participate in the techniques and concerns of fiction?
R: of course. they may draw from historical sources at least.
A-2
can authors of fiction which include or depict magic or
religion as an inherent part of their art actually manifest
new principles into the cosmic order which do not participate
in the techniques and concerns of fiction?
R: this is a very tall order, one I've never confirmed,
though many mystics maintain the possibility without
regard to its inclusion in fiction, through what are
called 'Formulae', usually associated with groups of
people, periods of time, and thematic resonance (as
astrological or utopian).
B-1
can the originators of magic and religion, who may never
be seen, introduce an instruction on principles of cosmic
behaviour which do not participate in the techniques and
concerns of fiction?
R: yes, by virtue of the horrible secrets which they
conceal, and with which they are associated, fiction
may simply be too inconsequent an arena for such an
exposition; surely Heinlein's Church of All Worlds
and, more extraordinarily, Herbert's various orders
and cults, qualify as explorations in fiction of
at least religious instruction, for contrast, but
what will keep the imagination from casting the next
fabricated cult into a new form, absorbing it into
a novel circumstance, with a different leader, etc.?
only the restrictions of a new Code of Decency, and
we saw what that did to the quality of art, didn't we?
B-2
can the originators of magic and religion, who may never
be seen, actually manifest new principles into the cosmic
order which do not participate in the techniques and
concerns of fiction?
R: their restriction from fiction must needs indicate
some preventative aspect in entering or being
preserved from human minds; perhaps the subtlety of
the principles involved will only allow a certain
elite to perceive their reality along the lines of
tertans in Tibetan Buddhism and their reception of
consciousness transmissions; perhaps there is some
kind of cosmic principle which prevents expressions
on certain topics and thus we can never know about
their forbiddenness.
> If so, how do these non-narrative efforts operate?
R: at times dryly and with great attention to dates
and numbers.
leffwn53
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