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Irritable Sharing on Magic

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick
From: nagasiva 
Subject: Irritable Sharing on Magic (was Gnome on Goetia...)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 03:50:00 GMT

50011129 VI om 

>>You have brought some good points to the table. Don't stop asking or
>>commenting on your views concerning Poke's work. Believe it or not I have
>>had similur questions but never asked. I have much respect for you and Gnome
>>and his work. I know it might get touchy but that is how it is with
>>magicians anyway.

tracym@pipeline.com:
>I wonder why.  It sems to me it would make it harder to communicate
>in regards to reliable results.  It would allow too much mystification. 

correct. this is why irritability and grumpiness on the part of the mage
interested in sharing hir work with others who are challenging and
criticizing it may indicate a weakness or shallow comprehension -- an 
obscuring of the details. it may also indicate that the mage is better
equipped to do the work than to step back and criticize it. in the case of
mystics we're talking about folks who are braving an exposure of their
deepest spiritual identity. it is to be expected that the circumstance
may lead to difficult interactions, sometimes because of the difficulty
of the subject itself, sometimes because of the position and theoretics
to which the participants may wish (and/or fail) to constrain us.

blessed beast!

nagasiva
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50011130 VI om

hi Hi! the origin of this thread's inquiries have been removed, 
so it may be more difficult for you to understand the premise
upon which I am following -- the consideration of why some mages
might be less than convivial in an (esp. critical) examination
of their work. I'd add the contextual delimiter of public 
discussion and criticism, but these aren't always present, I find.

nagasiva :
>>...why magicians sometimes react negatively when
>>their work is questioned, criticized, or sometimes even changed or
>>used differently than they'd intended. it is a complex problem that
>>doesn't revolve around any single individual, and occultists and
>>'magic academes' alike have to face this problem as would any
>>sociologist who wishes to examine a particular social niche.

hieronymous707@aol.com (Hieronymous707):
> ...I don't see the "problem".  Please explain.

it's mostly a problem to those (esp. occultists) who use as their
primary learning method the interview with practicing mages. if
we refer to those who do only this (never practice, just come to
intellectually understand it) as "occultists" as compared to
practicing "mages", then the problem may be described as deriving
from people mistaking mages for occultists, and becoming upset at 
the sometimes volatile response they may get in response to their 
rough treatment of what may be a very personal issue for the mage/mystic.

compare art criticism and the reaction artists may have to it.

blessed beast!

nagasiva
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