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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.lucky.w,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.magick.folk,alt.pagan.magick From: nagasivaSubject: Getting Results and Learning Magic (was cat Spell Kits) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:36:22 GMT 50010730 VI! om Hail Satan! rbuehl : >> If a person is sick they go to the doctor and get a prescription >> *i.e. pill kit* to get them better. [X]: > So you're saying that Cat Yronwode's spell-kits should be subject to > FDA approval.... my impression is that the idea is that someone who is familiar with condition problems and who makes remedying items available to those with a need may package commonly-used items together for the convenience of the interested customer. >> As someone who is new to the world of spells and magic, I myself have >> stocked up on books to try to educate myself. Many people do not >> have that kind of time or the resources to even attempt it. > Then they should forget about magick altogether. no need. they can just practice the Art without attempting to enter into the Hermetic Ascension Scheme. see below. >> It is far better that they get instructed or guided by someone who >> is aware of exactly what should be happening and what it will >> affect rather than going to the guy down the street that will turn >> your ex into a frog for a few bucks or rip off artists with 900 >> numbers promising *miracles* for 3.99/minute. > How do you know whether the practitioner you go to is a fit person > to guide you? that would depend in part on whether you are the kind of person who wishes to replace the guide at some point (i.e. you want to use the whole for instruction) or if you are looking for someone who can do a quick job for you and you can move on with your life without having to do magic for oneself. the analogy I'd use is for "Tune-Up Packages" from an auto dealer. one may easily purchase the points, plugs, filter, et al, from the mechanic, then ask hir to do the tune-up for one, but this prevents one from learning about automotive mechanics and about one's vehicle. it is the *customer* who decides, and the mechanic who makes either route possible. different customers want different routes to the same objective. to take your argument to its logical conclusion within this analogy, the *real* mechanic-adept-to-be would wish to learn about all the various means of machining and other technical skills that would be necessary to *build* the replacement parts, then learn how to replace them hirself. having someone else provide the parts or do the work makes learning about it (*IF AND ONLY IF ONE LEARNS BY DOING* rather than by reading, or other methods) more difficult. for the first type (learn to replace the guide), a greater degree of circumspection and observation of the individual is necessary, because we are attempting to learn from them also and we have to discover what kind of instructor they are and if we will be compatible as a student. the second type (get a job done quickly) may rely on recommendations from friends, reviewing publications (Consumer Reports), the Better Business Bureau, or even one's intuitive and/or practical assessment of the expertise of the individual who is in charge or who is going to do the job for us (if indeed the two are different). > You examine how they conduct themselves when they are subject to > scrutiny. that will tell us one thing, and a valuable bit of information it may be, but it won't tell us (considering that you appear to be focussing on the learning-to-replace-the-teacher type) what they know, whether we will be able to learn from them, or whether there is some kind of personality conflict going on between us. > And even then, bear in mind that many confidence tricksters have > the ability of appearing not to be confidence tricksters off to > a fine art. agreed. any way of which you're aware to consistently discern the con from the real thing beyond how they hold up to your scrutiny? how long have you been using this method? have you had confirmation from other sources on your results? blessed beast! nagasiva -- emailed replies may be posted ----- "sa avidya ya vimuktaye" ----- "that which liberates is ignorance" http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html hoodoo catalogue: send postal address to catalogues@luckymojo.com
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