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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.games.frp From: nocTiferSubject: FRPG-Based Demon Summoning Dangerous in Real World (HPotter Satanism?) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:24:39 GMT 50040314 vii om Hail Satan! "selina" : #> Hi. I'm Selina and I have a question. I heard that Harry Potter story #> books/movies are demonic. Is it true? Any prove or evidence? "Rubystars" : # They're fictional. quite so. # I can't confirm this but I heard one rumor that the # writer is an agnostic. I didn't notice any mention of Rowling's religious background in the Time article I quoted elsewhere (6/23/2003). # If someone is weak in their faith and reading fictional # stories about magic is going to do them harm, then yes, # by all means stay away from those books, as well as many # Disney movies and all other fantasy books. one might keep much scripture from children for this reason too. it often has fabulous legendary individuals doing supernatural things. # ...I've played various RPGs and read various fantasy # books and I think they're harmless as long as you don't # do things like take them into the real world and try to # summon demons, or whatever. according to most demonologists and magicians who are interested in the subject, role-playing games are not usually a very good source for technology on summoning demons. that said, there may be some good sources just as "Alchemy Companion" has some interesting things on said arcane topic which supplement for Fantasy RPGames. some occultists like Paul Hume have written for the RPG publishers creating inspiring material that can be seen as a model in how magic might function within the world of the role-playing game (different than our own), and it is obvious that he is reflecting on stereotypes and sci-fi fantasy characters and objects which he's encountered in such works (e.g. "The Grimoire", by FASA Corporation, 1990). at least systems like AD&D have spell components, material and verbal, and reflect off of the methods of magic practice throughout the world. some of the RPG systems are complex and *admirable* in their integrity and imaginativeness. they are often more interesting and satisfy a particular cosmological aesthetic which ordinary occult authors lack. Harry Potter books don't have formulae for things like potions, let alone summoning spells. there are cantrips and magical objects (like the Maurader's Map) which do fabulous things, but we're not really told how such things might be created. the usual FRPG material on demon summoning doesn't go into intricate detail and usually supplies some alternative cosmology beyond the ordinary with which the player must comprehend and work within, the methods presumably incompatible with Terran activities unless they can be shown to overlap or coincide by symbolism, etc. searching at amazon.com on "demon summoning" I find only 22 entries for this phrase, the first of which mentions methods is an FRPG book and the first occult reference is a 2003 encyclopedia by JMGreer: The New Encyclopedia of the Occult by John Michael Greer (Paperback - November 2003) whose excerpt deals with the demon-summoning in the Faust literary tradition (probably no actual instructions in how to summon specific demons in this reference). and interestingly enough this was one of the results: Harry Potter's World: Multidisciplinary Critical Perspectives by Elizabeth E. Heilman (Editor) (Hardcover - January 2003) and clicking on related texts in this set of 22 (symbolic?) were another half dozen maybe 8-10 books on the Potter books doing critical analysis, some of which were definitely considering whether there was anything nefarious, demonic or satanic in the content. blessed beast! boboroshi at-sign satanservice.org: Satanic Outreach Director Church of Euthanasia: http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/ TOKUS WEBLINKS: http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/B/boboroshi/ Ninth Scholar's Library (Satanism Archive): http://www.satanservice.org/
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