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Masturbation & Meditation

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.sex,alt.magick,alt.magick.tantra
From: catherine yronwode 
Subject: Re: Masturbation & Meditation
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:57:39 GMT

Chris wrote:
> 
> nagasiva yronwode wrote:
> >
> > "Luis Castillo"  wrote:
> > >
> > > What is next?
> > > That Sexual Magic can be done in a homosexual relation?
> >
> > is there something problematic about homosexual relations
> > with respect to sexual magic? what about the 11th Degree OTO?
>
> explain your comment about the OTO please

Quick reply -- it is pretty well understood by various folks and held
forth by various writers in print and on usenet that the 11th degree of
the OTO involves -- depending on one's interpretation of Crowley's words
-- 
     anal sex of any kind
           [administered to both men and women by men]
           [administered by men peniley and by women with dildoes], 
     exclusively homosexual male anal sex 
           [no women taking the 11th degree] 
     taboo-breaking or personally repulsive sex of some or any sort,
           [lesbian sex for heterosexual women]
           [homosexual anal sex for heterosexual men]
           [heterosexual sex for homosexual people of either gender]
           [taboo-breaking of any sort, at the whim of participants]
     and/or that "the 11th degree doesn't exist 
           [at all and never did]
           [anymore] 
           [in (c)OTO since William Breeze became head of the order]." 

There is a bunch of writing on this subject -- from various conflicting
perspectives -- archived all over the web, so check it out at any of the
good search engines, such as google.com. I know that nagasiva and i have
a lot of material on the OTO and sex magic(k) in general archived at the
Lucky Mojo Esoteric Archive, and if you go to the top level page of the
Esoteric Archive
    http://www.luckymojo.com/esoteric.html
and use our on-site search engine with some well-chosen key words, you
ought to be able to turn up whatever information we have on file. I seem
to recall that Josh Geller wrote a straightforward exegesis on the forms
of sex magic associated with each degree of the OTO, and so adding his
name to your key words would help you turn that document up right away.
For instance, i just used the keywords
    Josh Geller OTO sex
with the instruction to select "all words" and turned up 4 documents
that looked pretty juicy.

Good luck! 

cat yronwode 

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