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Evocation to Imaginable Manifestation?

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From: nagasiva@luckymojo.com (nagasiva yronwode)
Subject: Re: Evocation to Imaginable Manifestation? (was The Book of Solomon's Magick)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:45:38 GMT

50000926 Vom

Re O'Stat :
>...Dion Fortune most definitely was a member of the Stella 
>Matutina which, of course, was one of the continuations of the Golden 
>Dawn. In fact, the most popular version of the rituals and knowledge of 
>the Golden Dawn (The version published originally by Ares Press and now 
>by Llewellyn) are actually from the Stella Matutina. So, for all 
>practical purposes, Dion Fortune was a member of the direct descendent 
>of the G.D.

thanks. my memory was hazy but something similar. it did seem like a 
slight dodge on Mr. Runyon's part.

nagasiva

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In article <8qugf2$7n7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, slarty1@my-deja.com wrote:


> > Poke wrote:
> > No. Wrong again.
> > Dion Fortune was not a member of the Golden Dawn.


Re: wrote:
>> Dion Fortune most definitely was a member of the Stella
> > Matutina which, of course, was one of the continuations of the Golden
> > Dawn. In fact, the most popular version of the rituals and knowledge of
> > the Golden Dawn (The version published originally by Ares Press and now
> > by Llewellyn) are actually from the Stella Matutina. So, for all
> > practical purposes, Dion Fortune was a member of the direct descendent
> > of the G.D.
> 
> Slarty wrote:
> Are you sure of your data, here?  I read that Unkle Al had met her in
> the G.D.  Was Crowley not a member of the origonal G.D.?


Thanks for asking.

Both you and I were both in error.

According to the book, The Story of Dion Fortune by Fielding and Collins 
(P. 38), 
³Brodie Innes did not run a break-away movement from the Golden Dawn. He 
was quite well regarded within that organization and was allowed to run 
his own particular version of the Golden Dawn system and was given 
considerable latitude to do so...His group was the Alpha et Omega and 
was a duly accredited branch of the main order...

³[Dion Fortune] was accepted and initiated into Alpha et Omega about the 
end of World War I...²


According to Kingıs The Rites of Modern Occult Magic (P. 142), Fortune 
³was initiated as a Neophyte of the Alpha et Omega in 1919.²

And on P. 113.
³...Crowley eventually founded his Order (1907)...² 
This order was the A.A. which was supposed to supercede the G.D.
In 1909 Crowley said he was going to publish the Inner Order rituals 
which resulted in Mathers getting a restraining order to temporarily 
stop him. So Crowley was definitely out of the G.D. before 1910. It was 
9 years before Fortune joined the G.D.

So, here is a summation of the facts:
1) Poke is wrong. Dion Fortune was a member of a legitimate versions of 
the Golden Dawn using the name Alpha et Omega.
2) I was wrong in saying that she was a member of the S.M. She was a 
member of another legitimate Golden Dawn group.
3) Crowley could not have met Fortune in the Golden Dawn as he was no 
longer a member by that time.

Re

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