THE ARCANE ARCHIVE
	a cache of usenet and other text files pertaining to occult, mystical, and spiritual subjects.

To: alt.magick
From: INOMINANDUM@webtv.net (JASON MILLER)
Subject: Re: The Necronomicon
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:20:12 -0400

OK, so Lovecraft wrote about the necronomicon in the twenties, and than
nothing was heard about it (outside of small circles of science fiction
fans) until the mid seventies and than BOOM! No less than four (by my
count) pop up out of nowhere. In the mean time Kenneth Grant publishes
Nightside of eden and sparks up a whole group of work that follows: The
Shadow Tarot, Typhonian Teritomas, Ect. This doesnt sound like something
to dismiss so easily.

Im not a fan of ooky spooky magick but if people actually read these
darn things they are not about that at all. Take the Simon version for
instance. Barring the testimony of the mad arab it begins with a system
to work ones way up the tree of life! After that you have sigils for the
fifty manifestations of Marduk and a mythology that concurrs for the
most part with the Enuma Elish. Barring the section on the abominations,
and doesnt every grimoire have a section that says "no matter what you
do, dont ever do this rite that Im going to give step by step
instructions on", It seems fairly normal.  Even with the darker side to
it, its no more evil than, tibetan tantriks practicing in charnel
grounds visualising wrathful yidams surrounding them.
Jason

Path: Supernews69!supernews.com!news.uoregon.edu!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!zdc!super.zippo.com!plnews!newsp.zippo.com!snews5
From: kingsword@greenheart.com (kingsword)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: The Necronomicon
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 14:30:19 GMT
Organization: None
Lines: 44
Message-ID: <33bbb361.1364472@snews.zippo.com>
References: <33985701.1F10@acad.nwmissouri.edu>  <5neu4n$k53$1@shell5.ba.best.com>   <5nk4v3$agk$1@shell5.ba.best.com>  <5o73g6$39m@kudo20.kudonet.com> <33b9e722.2545160@snews.zippo.com> <5pfh7a$mec@kudo20.kudonet.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397
Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick:106644

On 2 Jul 1997 23:35:22 -0700, tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva)
wrote:

>49970702 aa2 Hail Satan!
>
(much good Tibetan stuff deleted....BTW, the Phurba was Padma's
tent peg which he used to ward off demons.)
(Quotes Cavendish:)

>"...the writers of old grimoires, or magical textbooks, which instruct the
>reader in methods of calling up evil spirits, killing people, causing hatred,
>and destruction or forcing women to submit to him in love, did not think of
>themselves as black magicians.  On the contrary, the grimoires are packed
>with prayers to God and the angels, fastings and self-mortifications and
>ostentatious piety.  The principal process in the _Grimoire of Honorius_,
>which is usually considered the most diabolical of them all, overflows
>with impassioned and perfectly sincere appeals to God and devout sayings
>of the Mass.  It also involves tearing out the eyes of a black cock and
>slaughtering a lamb, and its purpose is to summon up the Devil."  p. 3.

This is basically true with two very interesting exceptions: Dee and
Kelley's Enochian and Picatrix. If you were to shuffle both of these
together you might come up with something similar to HPL's
Necronomicon idea Tyson's recent *Tetragrammaton* book is worth
reading in this respect.
       I won't go so far as to say that one Enochian magician can
"Open the Gates" and bring in "The Dragon"(Coronzon), but Tyson does
have a point. There is a sinister side to Enochian which most of its
practitioners won't own up to. 
          Picatrix (which will be available in English soon) has more
black magick than just about any other grimorie, but it is presented
in the form of commentary, by pious Muslims and Christians,  on what
the Harranians supposedly did. . . .
         Now' if you really want to get to the nub of HPL, please find
a story called *Through the Gates of the Silver Key* by HPL and E.
Hoffman Price. This goes far beyond the Necronomicon -- which was
never anything more than a goose-flesh producing device -- in its
magical potential. Read it; meditate on it and let us ascend or
descend to levels beyond "pulp fiction" (which I will admit I used to
write). 

KingSword



Path: Supernews69!supernews.com!news.dra.com!feed1.news.erols.com!visi.com!news-out.visi.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newshub.csu.net!zdc!super.zippo.com!plnews!newsp.zippo.com!snews5
From: kingsword@greenheart.com (kingsword)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: The Necronomicon
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 16:28:07 GMT
Organization: None
Lines: 44
Message-ID: <33c114d7.2365997@snews.zippo.com>
References: <33985701.1F10@acad.nwmissouri.edu> <5o73g6$39m@kudo20.kudonet.com> <33b9e722.2545160@snews.zippo.com> <01bc88cb$9c7b5bc0$9208d9cf@default> <5pmf95$hg3@access4.digex.net>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397
Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick:106807

On 5 Jul 1997 17:45:09 -0400, dickeney@access4.digex.net (Dick Eney)
wrote:

>In article <01bc88cb$9c7b5bc0$9208d9cf@default>,
>M7a7g7i  wrote:
>>
>>There are three published versions of the Necronomicon. 

 No. There are at least 20 and probably more! One version
(DeCamp's) repeats itself every 14 pages.

>>Yes it is based on half fiction and half religion.  But it is actually an 
>>accepted system in some magickal groups.  From what I hear the system 
>>works but is very chaotic and unstable in nature.

The system most often worked is Simon's (Levenda's). His sigils are a
incongruious mix of kamea and freeform spirit writing. No wonder they
are haphazard (or hapalhazred). Also to work this type of system you
need to become a priest or priestess of the Summerian-Akkadian
religion. I only know one ex-Necronomiconeer who has graduated to
this level. That's Frater Shem.

Then Dick wrote:
>>
>There are published versions of "De Tribus Impostoribus" and "Protocols of
>the Elders of Zion", too, but that doesn't make them any less fraudulent.
>That some people have been able to cobble together systems that "work"
>from it merely means that the fakers did a reasonably good job; the
>principles of ceremonial magic are not exactly obscure nowadays, y'know.
>
>-- Dick Eney
>
True enough, Dick, but the Simon Necronomicon (the most popular
teenage cult model) is a poor example. Robert Turner's Necronomicon is
a little more effective -- and yet we keep coming back to the same
basic problem. If "The Old One's" mainly want us to open "The Gate"
for "Them" so they can eat us and recapture the planet, then about all
we can do is crack the door open a hair, stick a wedge in it, and then
see how many goth chicks we can seduce while the bad wind blows. This
isn't a system, it's "a line", and it sure isn't magick.

KingSword