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To: alt.magick From: paulhume@comcast.net (Paul Hume) Subject: Re: Hebrew Alphabet questions Date: 6 May 2003 04:44:55 -0700 > I'm trying to learn the Hebrew alphabet and I've run into a few problems. > First of all...in Regardie's "Golden Dawn" he doesnt give any pronounciation > key for the letters, so I'm a bit confused in how to pronounce some of the > letters, for example: Tau...is it 'taw' or 'tav'? Be ready to find variation on this among Jews too (g). AL-ef, al-OF, AL-of, etc. That said, there are a number of primers, both for kids, as mentioned up thread, and most useful for the magician IMO, an adult primer for prayerbook and biblical Hebrew, for adult Jews turning to a more traditional religious life. Also...the letters that > are printed look like you need a calligraphy pen to write. Is there an > easier way to write them or do you just have to get a calligraphy pen and > practice a lot? Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks Callig pen is way to go, though learning to write a graceful hand in pencil or ballpoint is worthwhile. Ironically, the font magicians mostly use is a book font that was not intended to be written. There is a book entitled Hebrew Calligraphy (author escapes me...Green, or Green-something?) that I recommend whole heartedly. These are not titles you are likely to find at Barnes or Borders. FInd a Jewish bookstore and you are more likely to prosper (though I do recall seeing several Biblical Hebrew teach-yourself books at the big stores). Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: phygelus@yahoo.com (Phygelus) Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: Re: Hebrew Alphabet questions Date: 10 May 2003 00:56:37 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 34 Message-ID: <70ee425e.0305092356.3645ee03@posting.google.com> References:NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.171.24.228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1052553398 3541 127.0.0.1 (10 May 2003 07:56:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2003 07:56:38 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:345163 "warped_conscious" wrote in message news: ... > I'm trying to learn the Hebrew alphabet and I've run into a few problems. > First of all...in Regardie's "Golden Dawn" he doesnt give any pronounciation > key for the letters, so I'm a bit confused in how to pronounce some of the > letters, for example: Tau...is it 'taw' or 'tav'? Also...the letters that > are printed look like you need a calligraphy pen to write. Is there an > easier way to write them or do you just have to get a calligraphy pen and > practice a lot? Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks Alef-Bet: A Hebrew Primer by Shumsky et al. is pretty good, and teaches the numerical values, too. You'll learn to read and write basic Hebrew block letters. Get a kid's writing tablet to practice on. It also teaches the vowel points so you have some useful Hebrew skills beyond what's in the Golden Dawn book. Or you can print these out on cardstock: http://www.shalom-peace.com/PDF/ALEPHBETcards.pdf The book Paul refers to elsewhere in this thread is probably Jay Seth Greenspan's _Hebrew Calligraphy_. It's out of print. Hebrew calligraphy books seem to go out of print. Nice book, though. I photocopied the copy in my local public library to work from. Hebrew lettering is a huge topic and a minefield of scruples for the beginner: you could rapidly progress to holding yourself to some weird half-assed imitation of the standards of a sofer, or Hebrew scribe. Just get some basic literacy instead and go from there. If scrupulous work beyond memorizing the letters and their correspondences in that first knowledge lecture table is holding you up, then just use flash cards and memorize the letters and numbers by rote. You can do that in an evening or two. Phygelus Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: satanisevil@satanisevil.no-ip.org (The Cat) Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: Re: Hebrew Alphabet questions Date: 10 May 2003 06:17:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6bda5e9d.0305100517.cab0515@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.178.40.35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1052572667 16575 127.0.0.1 (10 May 2003 13:17:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2003 13:17:47 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:345165 "warped_conscious" wrote in message news: ... > I'm trying to learn the Hebrew alphabet and I've run into a few problems. > First of all...in Regardie's "Golden Dawn" he doesnt give any pronounciation > key for the letters, so I'm a bit confused in how to pronounce some of the > letters, for example: Tau...is it 'taw' or 'tav'? Also...the letters that > are printed look like you need a calligraphy pen to write. Is there an > easier way to write them or do you just have to get a calligraphy pen and > practice a lot? Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks Well, as a Hebrew speaker, I thought maybe I could help I'm not sure how the letters you're talking about are written in that book, but I don't see much problem - simply look at how hebrew letters are written and write like that (if you want, I can send you an image of me writing these letters but my handwriting sucks). All in all, modern Hebrew is not written much like ancient hebrew. Also, some choose to write in the original aramic letters which I know squat of (seen them twice, at the Israel museum! they're also on the unicode specs, so that's also so fucking easy to get) as for the letters: Actually, I (and everyone I know) pronounce it 'taf' (tough). Proffessors of hebrew here pronounce it tav I never understood the whole 'hebrew' deal - what excatly are you guys looking for? The ancient Hebrew rituals? Simply using the hebrew lanugage? (Hebrew is the most taught of all uncommon languages. There must be half a million people currently learning hebrew here in Israel.) If you wanna hear how it's pronounced, you're welcome to call me... :)
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