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From: 333 
Subject: Re: AC-SWITCH/GD-SWITCH and Heh-Tzaddi Problems
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:44:15 GMT

50040112 vii om

333 re LIBER VIARVM VIAE
#> I didn't find the text of this immediately. quote the 
#> relevant portions or at least point me to a copy and
#> then we can discern it. the rest I found easily.

g0rg30u5_g0rd0n :
# source: http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib868.html
# LIBER VIARVM VIAE
# SVB FIGVRA
# DCCCLXVIII
# A: A:
# Publication in Class B.
# Imprimatur:
# N. Fra A: A:



# ¦17.¦ z The Adoration under the Starry Heaven. Liber XI., NV (from
# ¦ + Liber CCXX.).

# ¦ 8.¦ t The Protection of the Sphere. Liber O.
# ¦10.¦ K The Evocation of the Mighty Ones. Liber {sic, no further ID}
# ¦ 9.+ Y The Absorbion of the Emanations. Liber DCCCXI.
# ¦11.¦ L The Passing of the Hall of the Balances. Liber XXX.

note: the GD-SWITCH letters reversed. compare Book of Thoth p. 284.

# ¦ 4.¦ H The Formulation of the Flaming Star. Liber V.

17/4 both indicate Stars. 11->Libra, 8-> Leo?

# in case you'd like a pointer to 831:
# http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib831.html

thanks.

# curiously, teth is where lamed should be, and lamed 
# is where teth should be if they were to follow a 
# strictly numerical order (i.e. 400, 300, 200, 100, 
# 90, 80, 70, 60, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 
# 4, 3, 2, 1): very coumfusing for the neophyte who 
# hasn't yet memorized the hebrew alphabet! :)

not if you've seen it enough to know he'll futz with
the switch numbers. pretty consistent. he often will
switch entire rows out for the 4 SWITCHES, or 2 of 
them, depending on when he wrote(?), it seems.

# not sure on the date on Liber 868?

dunno. the Crowley Index has it first appearing in 
EQUINOX Vol I:7, 1912.

#># Liber Tau (400), 
#
# received 1907 13 Dec.

thanks! where did you get this information? somewhere online?

#># Liber Arcanorvm (231), 
#
# part of sigils received: 5,6 Dec. 1907
# verses received: 1911
# names received: 14 Dec. 1907

#> which I found at:
#> 	Liber Arcanorum sub figura 231                                     
#> 	http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/231arcanorum.txt  
#> 
#> 	contains numbers (for the Roman 0 and I =>XXI) to which 
#> 	is set poetic expression, the relevant associations 
#> 	appearing to be:
#> 
#> $	  4.  Now riseth Ra-Hoor-Khuit, and dominion is established 
#> $	      in the Star of the Flame.
#> 
#> $	  17. Transformed, the holy virgin appeared as a fluidic fire, 
#> $	      making her beauty into a thunderbolt.
#> 
#> 	more closely aligned to the pre-AC-SWITCH as I've understood
#> 	it than any kind of rectification. it might be shown to
#> 	support the change of *names only*, making Emperor into
#> 	'Star' and somehow changing XVII to something else. 
#> 	IV-EMPEROR; XVII-STAR.

# which sigils belong to which, i wonder? the thunderbolt/ OBN to Aries? 

thunderbolt may relate to the adjacent Tower Struck By 
Lightning/War/House of God--Trump XVI. this seems to 
imply that the *Star*'s virgin emanates the lightning 
in XVI and therefore is located at XVII (pre-AC-SWITCH) 
(as this proceeds backwards through the Trumps).

# The Pentagram/ alchemical elements to Aquarius?

pentagram? more often associated with Crowley that Star is
a septagram, GD has it surrounded by the visible 7 Planets.
doesn't Smith-Waite and Harris-Crowley each have septagram
in at least the center?

#># Liber Aervm (418), 
#> 
#> whose text and commentary thereupon I found at:
#> 	Vision and Voice (418) Commentary                                  
#> 	http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/418comm.txt
#> 	dated October 12 1952 

LOL! good eye!

#> 	which may be one of the *latest* contentions on attributes.
#
# esp. considering AC was dead some 4+ years in 1952. :)

good thing I didn't *base* it on said contention. ;>
Equinox I:5 1911 seems to have been VVoice, but comment?
hmmm....

   The Vision and the Voice with Commentary and Other Papers: The          
   Collected Diaries of Aleister Crowley 1909-1914 E.V. [Hard Cover]       
                                                                           
   The Vision and the Voice with Commentary and Other Papers: The          
   Collected Diaries of Aleister Crowley 1909-1914 E.V. [Soft Cover]       
   -----------------------------------------------------------------
   says http://www.the-equinox.org/vol4/  

#># or Liber Gradvvm Montis Abiegi (13)?
#> 
#> which I found at:
#> 	Graduum Montis Abiegni sub figura 13                               
#> 	 (A Syllabus of the Steps Upon the Path)
#> 	http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/013gmabiegni.txt  
#> 
#> 	in which I saw no mention of any Tarot or related
#> 	attributionals.
#
# well, yes related attributionals and no Tarot. there *iz* thee 
# path ov Tzaddi /pictured/ and obliquely referred to here and there:
# http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/images/large-abiegnus.jpg

aha!

# path of Tzaddi iz labelled 'meditation practice on the 
# exapansion of consciousness:' does this go with Aries 
# or Aquarius in your book? neither? both?

I'd associate that more with Aquarius than Aries, 
but I'm not an astrologer.

# neither teth or lamed are pictured, 
# so we can leave them alone ;)

lol

#> 	"Liber Tzaddi"
#> 	 http://www.luckymojo.com/avidyana/plebe/libertzaddi.txt
#
# and what of Liber Tzaddi (the 'original' received 1911 ev) itself? 

I've revised Liber C vel Agape vel Azoth. why not?

# You know the 'Book of the Secret Fishhook'? 
# http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib90.html
# This book abounds in /Arian/ not Aquarian imagery for the most part.

secret fishhooks?! hm....

# By the way, I relied on H. Alpha's preface in The Holy Books 
# (1983) for the dates given above.

lol. nice. I only read those aloud.

333

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333 wrote:
> 50040112 vii om
> 
> 
> 333 re LIBER VIARVM VIAE
> #> I didn't find the text of this immediately. quote the 
> #> relevant portions or at least point me to a copy and
> #> then we can discern it. the rest I found easily.
> 
> g0rg30u5_g0rd0n :
> # source: http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib868.html
> # LIBER VIARVM VIAE
> # SVB FIGVRA
> # DCCCLXVIII
> # A: A:
> # Publication in Class B.
> # Imprimatur:
> # N. Fra A: A:
> 
> 
> 
> # ¦17.¦ z The Adoration under the Starry Heaven. Liber XI., NV (from
> # ¦ + Liber CCXX.).
> 
> # ¦ 8.¦ t The Protection of the Sphere. Liber O.
> # ¦10.¦ K The Evocation of the Mighty Ones. Liber {sic, no further ID}
> # ¦ 9.+ Y The Absorbion of the Emanations. Liber DCCCXI.
> # ¦11.¦ L The Passing of the Hall of the Balances. Liber XXX.
> 
> note: the GD-SWITCH letters reversed. compare Book of Thoth p. 284.
that's not half (okay, maybe half, but no more!) as interesting as 
getting the order wrong, as I pointed out in previous message (quoted 
below, in your reply).

> 
> # ¦ 4.¦ H The Formulation of the Flaming Star. Liber V.
> 
> 17/4 both indicate Stars.

True, true. One might call this and other instances re: Tzaddi and Heh, 
/purposeful/ ambiguity.
Additional ambiguity is frustratingly added by the title in Heh line: 
'Liber V?!' Is this easily confused with liber reguli, and/or liber 
manus et sagittae, or what? I find it frankly difficult to imagine this 
isn't purposeful. HB says Liber V might be Liber 831 method II (this 
liber, as with so many others also has numerous confusing alternate 
titles, noted in the Big Blue Brick's editorial comments). And 'Liber 
...' under Kaph? What's dot dot dot? 1139 under zain? Never seen or 
heard of it.

Strange shit...


> 11->Libra, 8-> Leo?
presumably, if teth were to go with leo and lust/ strength and lamed 
were to go to libra and adjustment/ justice.

> 
> # in case you'd like a pointer to 831:
> # http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib831.html
> 
> thanks.
> 
> # curiously, teth is where lamed should be, and lamed 
> # is where teth should be if they were to follow a 
> # strictly numerical order (i.e. 400, 300, 200, 100, 
> # 90, 80, 70, 60, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 
> # 4, 3, 2, 1): very coumfusing for the neophyte who 
> # hasn't yet memorized the hebrew alphabet! :)
> 
> not if you've seen it enough to know he'll futz with
> the switch numbers. pretty consistent. he often will
> switch entire rows out for the 4 SWITCHES, or 2 of 
> them, depending on when he wrote(?), it seems.
which argues most strongly for a /purposeful/ ambiguity (Librans are 
known for this type of eccentricity?) . beyond this, all is 
questionable, at least in my mind.

> 
> # not sure on the date on Liber 868?
> 
> dunno. the Crowley Index has it first appearing in 
> EQUINOX Vol I:7, 1912.
Eq. I:7, yup. page 101.

> 
> #># Liber Tau (400), 
> #
> # received 1907 13 Dec.
> 
> thanks! where did you get this information? somewhere online?
those intros are usually full of extremely valuable info. I like the 
recent (1996?) intro to AC's Tao te Ching (Liber CLVII), that's got some 
interesting backround info in the preface/ intro.

> 
> #># Liber Arcanorvm (231), 
> #
> # part of sigils received: 5,6 Dec. 1907
> # verses received: 1911
> # names received: 14 Dec. 1907
> 
> #> which I found at:
> #> 	Liber Arcanorum sub figura 231                                     
> #> 	http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/231arcanorum.txt  
> #> #> 	contains numbers (for the Roman 0 and I =>XXI) to which 
> #> 	is set poetic expression, the relevant associations 
> #> 	appearing to be:
> #> #> $	  4.  Now riseth Ra-Hoor-Khuit, and dominion is established 
> #> $	      in the Star of the Flame.
> #> #> $	  17. Transformed, the holy virgin appeared as a fluidic fire, 
> #> $	      making her beauty into a thunderbolt.
> #> #> 	more closely aligned to the pre-AC-SWITCH as I've understood
> #> 	it than any kind of rectification. it might be shown to
> #> 	support the change of *names only*, making Emperor into
> #> 	'Star' and somehow changing XVII to something else. 
> #> 	IV-EMPEROR; XVII-STAR.
> 
> # which sigils belong to which, i wonder? the thunderbolt/ OBN to Aries? 
> 
> thunderbolt may relate to the adjacent Tower Struck By 
> Lightning/War/House of God--Trump XVI. this seems to 
> imply that the *Star*'s virgin emanates the lightning 
> in XVI and therefore is located at XVII (pre-AC-SWITCH) 
> (as this proceeds backwards through the Trumps).
there is also, arguably, a certain awkwardness in placing the two 
swastikas so close together (the other being associated with the aleph 
path), as one could do, depending on how one read this whole thing.

but then again, nothing all too conclusive here. just fairly vague 
speculation so far.

> 
> # The Pentagram/ alchemical elements to Aquarius?
> 
> pentagram? more often associated with Crowley that Star is
> a septagram, GD has it surrounded by the visible 7 Planets.
> doesn't Smith-Waite and Harris-Crowley each have septagram
> in at least the center?
posing an honest question. i have by no means anything resembling rigid 
ideas on the topic. why should i?  ;)

> 
> #># Liber Aervm (418), 
> #> #> whose text and commentary thereupon I found at:
> #> 	Vision and Voice (418) Commentary                                  
> #> 	http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/418comm.txt
> #> 	dated October 12 1952 
> 
> LOL! good eye!
i didn't get here by accident!

> 
> #> 	which may be one of the *latest* contentions on attributes.
> #
> # esp. considering AC was dead some 4+ years in 1952. :)
>  
> good thing I didn't *base* it on said contention. ;>
> Equinox I:5 1911 seems to have been VVoice, but comment?
> hmmm....
> 
>    The Vision and the Voice with Commentary and Other Papers: The          
>    Collected Diaries of Aleister Crowley 1909-1914 E.V. [Hard Cover]       
>                                                                            
>    The Vision and the Voice with Commentary and Other Papers: The          
>    Collected Diaries of Aleister Crowley 1909-1914 E.V. [Soft Cover]       
>    -----------------------------------------------------------------
>    says http://www.the-equinox.org/vol4/  
> 
> #># or Liber Gradvvm Montis Abiegi (13)?
> #> #> which I found at:
> #> 	Graduum Montis Abiegni sub figura 13                               
> #> 	 (A Syllabus of the Steps Upon the Path)
> #> 	http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/013gmabiegni.txt  
> #> #> 	in which I saw no mention of any Tarot or related
> #> 	attributionals.
> #
> # well, yes related attributionals and no Tarot. there *iz* thee 
> # path ov Tzaddi /pictured/ and obliquely referred to here and there:
> # http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/images/large-abiegnus.jpg
> 
> aha!
> 
> # path of Tzaddi iz labelled 'meditation practice on the 
> # exapansion of consciousness:' does this go with Aries 
> # or Aquarius in your book? neither? both?
> 
> I'd associate that more with Aquarius than Aries, 
> but I'm not an astrologer.
i am no astrologer either, but the dominant imagery doesn't escape me. a 
classicist/ natural philosopher of our rank can make subtle judgement 
calls like this.  ;)
i would generally concur. elsewhere (graddum montis abieni) Liber 536 is 
also associated with this path via Liber XIII:
"He is given a meditation-practice on Expansion of Consciousness." 
(Liber XIII).

Presumably, this 'meditation-practice on expansion of consciousness' is 
Liber DXXXVI, titled Liber Batrachophrenobookosmomachia.

The gist of this book, of course, would generally fall under the aegis 
of the Water Bearer symbology, at least on a surface level.

> 
> # neither teth or lamed are pictured, 
> # so we can leave them alone ;)
> 
> lol
> 
> #> 	"Liber Tzaddi"
> #> 	 http://www.luckymojo.com/avidyana/plebe/libertzaddi.txt
> #
> # and what of Liber Tzaddi (the 'original' received 1911 ev) itself? 
> 
> I've revised Liber C vel Agape vel Azoth. why not?
Liber C is class D so, there wouldn't be much controversy there, right?


> 
> # You know the 'Book of the Secret Fishhook'? 
> # http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib90.html
> # This book abounds in /Arian/ not Aquarian imagery for the most part.
> 
> secret fishhooks?! hm....
i can only guess at what you may be hinting at! maybe the imagery is 
echoed here, where the tzaddi-heh ambiguity iz played to full effect:

Liber VII, c. iv, v. 1, v. 55-9:
    1. I am like a maiden bathing in a clear pool of fresh water.


...
   55. I will be like a splendid naked woman with ivory breasts and 
golden nipples; my whole body shall be like the milk of the stars. I 
will be lustrous and Greek, a courtesan of Delos, of the unstable Isle.
   56. Thou shalt be like a little red worm on a hook.
   57. But thou and I will catch our fish alike.
   58. Then wilt thou be a shining fish with golden back and silver 
belly: I will be like a violent beautiful man, stronger than two score 
bulls, a man of the West bearing a great sack of precious jewels upon a 
staff that is greater than the axis of the all.
   59. And the fish shall be sacrificed to Thee and the strong man 
crucified for Me, and Thou and I will kiss, and atone for the wrong of 
the Beginning; yea, for the wrong of the beginning.

and in Liber VII, v. 5:
5. Only one fish-hook can draw me out; it is a woman kneeling by the 
bank of the stream. It is she that pours the bright dew over herself, 
and into the sand so that the river gushes forth.


> 
> # By the way, I relied on H. Alpha's preface in The Holy Books 
> # (1983) for the dates given above.
> 
> lol. nice. I only read those aloud.
> 
> 333
after i marked up my crowley text for years i started marking up the
HBeta (et al) text just so I'd be clear and sure about whose scholarship/
word i was parroting.


Heh  ;)

valuPet


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333 wrote:
> 50040107 vii om -- Liber Tzaddi Confirmed in Liber 418!
> 
> for the interested: there are varying contentions as regards
> the final contentions of Aleister Crowley regarding his Tarot
> deck and the attributions affixed unto his Trumps. this has
> traditionally been concealed within secret orders (e.g. the
> Golden Dawn) and revealed only to those of sufficient Grade.
> Nigris' "Liber Tzaddi" provides out-of-order Practicus info
> on this matter, and it is in reflection of this that the
> query was put below.
> 
> three separate resolution methods have been put forward by
> the interested in determining this, and it is worthwhile at
> this juncture to explain their logic:
> 
> 	A) Ciphered Tables -- what is, within Crowley's
> 	"The Book of Thoth", identified within its 
> 	Contents list as "Tables of Correspondence", are
> 	ciphered data that are sometimes misunderstood
> 	as 'in error' or 'jumbled'; it was the assertion
> 	of Fr. Nigris that they constitue a very clear 
> 	indication of *intent*, and therefore should be
> 	regarded as primary in evaluation of the issue.
> 
> 	B) Preponderance in Thothbook -- Crowley's text,
> 	published deck, and other related writings, contain
> 	somewhat of a diversity of expression on the
> 	matter, and it is contended by some that whatever
> 	configuration is most commonplace ought be taken
> 	as that which obtains.
> 
> 	C) Temporal Priority -- alike to B) above, the
> 	logic of quantity ought give way to the logic
> 	of most recent expression, those previous to it
> 	forsaken as the chaff of mistaken thought on the
> 	part of Crowley, updated on the nearer date.
> 
> with these in mind, we may proceed to examine the post
> below, discovering that one of the citations may well
> fulfill both A) *and* C) in the exploration!	  
> 
> 
> heya g0rd0n, thanks for the incentive. ;>
> 
> g0rg30u5_g0rd0n :
> # i am curious, does your theory re: Tzaddi and Heh 
> 
> ambiguous.
purposely. i am sufficiently bewildered by your liber to leave it this 
way ;)

> I presume for the moment you are speaking of 
> what may be found in Liber Tzaddi concerning Crowley's 
> apparent intentions for mimicking the GD-SWITCH as a 
> format for effecting the AC-SWITCH (see Thothbook p. 10ff
> and reference list below).
> 
> thank you for asking about these. I'll look at what I can 
> find of the below immediately and reply here as to how they 
> fit in. interpretation of the text itself I leave for my 
> betters.
> 
> # find support in books such as Liber Viarum Viae (868), 
> 
> I didn't find the text of this immediately. quote the 
> relevant portions or at least point me to a copy and
> then we can discern it. the rest I found easily.

source: http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib868.html


LIBER VIARVM VIAE
SVB FIGVRA
DCCCLXVIII
A: A:
Publication in Class B.
Imprimatur:
N. Fra A: A:

{In the following, some text is vertical. These sections of text will be 
presented by curly bracket enclosures.

For numbers 21-13, to the left bracket:

"Nine locks of the Inferior Beard."

To the right bracket:

"Nine paths below Adeptus."}

+21.+ T The Formulation of the Body of Light. Liber O.
¦20.¦ S The Passage of the King's Chamber. Liber H H H.
¦19.¦ R The Illumination of the Sphere. Liber H H H.
¦18.¦ Q The Divining of Destiny. Liber Memoriae Viae CMXIII.
¦17.¦ z The Adoration under the Starry Heaven. Liber XI., NV (from
¦ + Liber CCXX.).
¦16.¦ P The Destruction of the House of God. Liber XVI.
¦15.¦ I The Sabbath of the Adepts. Liber CCCLXX.
¦14.¦ s Skrying in the Spirit Vision: The Ladder of Jacob. Liber O.
+13.+ N The Preparation of the Corpse for the Tomb. Liber XXV.

{For numbers 12-0, to the left bracket:

"Thirteen locks of the Superior Beard."

For numbers 12-6, to the right bracket:

"Seven paths below M. T."

For numbers 5-3, to the right bracket:

"Three below M."

For numbers 2-0, to the right bracket:

"Three below I."}

+12.+ M The Sleep of Siloam. Liber CDLI.
¦ 8.¦ t The Protection of the Sphere. Liber O.
¦10.¦ K The Evocation of the Mighty Ones. Liber {sic, no further ID}
¦ 9.+ Y The Absorbion of the Emanations. Liber DCCCXI.
¦11.¦ L The Passing of the Hall of the Balances. Liber XXX.
¦ 7.¦ X The Ritual of the Holy Graal. Liber CLVI.
¦ 6.+ Z The Utterance of the Pythoness. Liber MCXXXIX.
¦
¦ 5.+ V The Forthcoming of the Hierophant. Liber VIII. (8th AEthyr
¦ ¦ in Liber 418).
¦ 4.¦ H The Formulation of the Flaming Star. Liber V.
¦ 3.¦ D The Incarnation of the Inmost Light. Liber DLV Had (from
¦ + Liber CCXX.).
¦
¦ 2.+ G The Supreme Ecstasy of Purity. Liber LXXIII.
¦ 1.+ B The Universal Affirmations and Denials. Liber B (I.).
+ 0.+ A The transcending of all these; yea, the transcending of all
these.

Seven Inferiors: Seven Superiors: Seven above All:
and Seven Interpretations of every Word.


p.s. regarding some more puzzling aspects of this liber 868: 'liber v' 
(see line under 4. or Heh) iz thought to refer to liber 831 method II, 
and 'liber xxv' (see line under 13. or Nun) iz thought to refer to liber 
831 method III. Liber 1139 is thought to not be extant, and finally 
Liber 73 is thought to refer to Confessions chapters 81-87 (source: 
Liber ABA Big Blue Book, editorial notes).

in case you'd like a pointer to 831:
http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib831.html

curiously, teth is where lamed should be, and lamed is where teth should 
be if they were to follow a strictly numerical order (i.e. 400, 300, 
200, 100, 90, 80, 70, 60, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 
1): very coumfusing for the neophyte who hasn't yet memorized the hebrew 
alphabet! :)

not sure on the date on Liber 868?

> 
> # Liber Tau (400), 
received 1907 13 Dec.

> 	
> which I found at:
> 
> 	Liber Tau sub figura 400
> 	http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/400taukabbalae.txt
> 
> 	contains the Hebrew Letters in conventional order, 
> 	absent Taw, in which the whole appears to be 
> 	constructed. this is an affirmation, if taken
> 	as contemporaneous, of the principle of avoiding 
> 	disruption of the Hebrew in the supposed 
> 	rectification of the Trump-letter assignments.
> 
> 	the relevant associations appear to be:
> 
> $		HEH    -  Equilibrium on the Cubic Stone
> $		TZADDI -  the Unveiling of Love.
> 
> 	which conform to conventional GD imagery and 
> 	pre-AC-SWITCH as I've understood it. EMPEROR-HEH
> 	TZADDI-STAR.
> 
> # Liber Arcanorvm (231), 
part of sigils received: 5,6 Dec. 1907
verses received: 1911
names received: 14 Dec. 1907

> 
> which I found at:
> 
> 	Liber Arcanorum sub figura 231                                     
> 	http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/231arcanorum.txt  
> 
> 	contains numbers (for the Roman 0 and I =>XXI) to which 
> 	is set poetic expression, the relevant associations 
> 	appearing to be:
> 
> $	  4.  Now riseth Ra-Hoor-Khuit, and dominion is established 
> $	      in the Star of the Flame.
> 
> $	  17. Transformed, the holy virgin appeared as a fluidic fire, 
> $	      making her beauty into a thunderbolt.
> 
> 	more closely aligned to the pre-AC-SWITCH as I've understood
> 	it than any kind of rectification. it might be shown to
> 	support the change of *names only*, making Emperor into
> 	'Star' and somehow changing XVII to something else. 
> 	IV-EMPEROR; XVII-STAR.

which sigils belong to which, i wonder? the thunderbolt/ OBN to Aries? 
The Pentagram/ alchemical elements to Aquarius?

the tricky thing here, of course, is the 'class a' status of this one.

> 
> # Liber Aervm (418), 
> 
> whose text and commentary thereupon I found at:
> 
> 	Vision and Voice (418) Commentary                                  
> 	http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/418comm.txt
> 
> 	dated October 12 1952 
> 	which may be one of the *latest* contentions on attributes.
esp. considering AC was dead some 4+ years in 1952. :)

> 
> 	it appears to be a partial CONFIRMATION of Liber Tzaddi 
> 	(see below) in that it makes a clear distinction between 
> 	"the general" and "the new Thelemic" attribution of Heh 
> 	to Star, in accord with: XVII-STAR-HEH-15, but does not
> 	mention any 'new attribution' with respect to zodiacal 
> 	sign.
> 
> 	the book and its commentary proceed from highest to 
> 	lowest 'aethyrs' in a long series subtended by paginated
> 	notation, the most obviously relevant of which are the 
> 	28th (XVII) and 15th (IV). I searched through it for
> 	text of pertinence to either Star or Emperor (+IV/XVII, 
> 	Heh/Tzaddi; Sulphur/Swastika, 'general', 'attibut') 
> 	and found the following (additions welcome!):
> 
> $	  28. "The Vision of the Dawn of the Aeon of Horus (Atu XVII)"
> $
> $	  notes: 1.  The general attribution of this Aethyr is to 
> $	  Atu XVII.
> 
> 	this mention of "the general attribution" is an obvious
> 	discernment from his later "new Thelemic attribution".
> 
> $	  November 23, 1909, between 8 and 9 p.m.
> 
>         [these dates are those of the initial vision recorded]
> 
> 	his mention of the Angel having armour on breast is more
> 	reminiscent of Emperor than Star, but the prominent imagery
> 	of Binah makes this connection somewhat tenuous.
> 
> $  	  15. "The Vision of the rose of 49 petals, and of the Holy
> $	      12-fold Table. Examination of the Candidate for 
> $	      [Magister Templi]."
> 
> 	the only connection to either within this aethyr I can 
> 	discern being text like:
> 
> $	  And now am I again rapt in contemplation of that universe 
> $	  of letters which are stars.
> 
> 	as well as other mentions of stars, especially in the crown
> 	of the Angel of the Aethyr, and yet he also writes:
> 
> $	  And the letters of the circumference declare in glory 
> $	  of Nuit, that beginneth from Aries
> 
> $	  December 3, 1909. 9:15 to 11:10 a.m. 
> 
> 	which could indicate STAR=ARIES=28 but they are not clear.
> 
> $	   The Cry of the 7th Aethyr, Which is Called DEO
> 
> 	has
> 
> $	  ...this is she that poureth the Water of Life upon 
> $	  her head, whence it floweth to fructify the earth^2.
> $
> $	...
> $
> $	[note 2, p. 116] Refers to ATU XVII, "The Star", which 
> $	shows this figure. 
> 
> 	this indicates clearly XVII-STAR and conventional image.
> 	also:
> 	
> $  	   6. The Cry of the 6th Aethyr, Which is Called MAZ
> 
> $	[note 4 p. 119] {Sulphur} is the active Fiery Nature, 
> $	and the Microcosm of the Elements. But Atu IV, The Emperor, 
> $	refers to {HEB:Heh} = 5, and he forms {Sulphur}, the sign 
> $	for Sulphur, by the position of his arms and legs. Then 
> $	harmonizes these, being the fiery thunderbolt, the electric 
> $	whirling; and also the balance of the elements (its 4 arms) 
> $  	in a Microcosm.
> 
> 	further on in the same notes:
> 
> $	[note 5 p. 119] A =  {HEB:Aleph} the Swastika; 
> $	V = {HEB:Vau} = Atu V, the Pentagram; E = {Aries} 
> $	and Atu IV, {Sulphur}.                                    
> 
> 	the two very obviously an identification of 
> 	IV=EMPEROR=HEH=15 (=Sulphur).
> 
> 	and later:
> 
> $	  Accordingly, I wait in a certain magical posture which 
> $	  it is not fitting to disclose, and above me appears 
> $	  the starry heaven^2 of night, and one star greater than 
> $	  all the other stars. It is a star of eight rays. I 
> $	  recognize it as the star in the seventeenth key of the     
> $	  Tarot, as the Star of Mercury. And the light of it 
> $	  cometh from the path of Aleph. And the letter Cheth is 
> $	  also involved in the interpretation of this star, and 
> $	  the paths of he' and vau are the separations which this 
> $	  Star unites^3. And in the heart of the star is an 
> $	  exceeding splendour, -- a god standing upon the moon, 
> $	  brilliant beyond imagining^4. It is like unto the 
> $	  vision of the Universal Mercury. But this is the Fixed
> $	  Mercury, and he' and vau are the perfected sulphur and 
> $	  salt. 
> 
> 	and even more succinctly in the notes to this portion:
> 
> $       [note 1, p. 120] {Aquarius} = the Man, the Pentagram;
> $       A, the Swastika; {Leo} the House of {Sulphur}.
> 
> 	and
> 
> $	[note 2, p. 120] Masloth = the sphere of Chokmah = {Mercury}.  
> $	{HEB:Vau} and {HEB:Heh} lead from Chesed and Tiphareth to 
> $	Chokmah.                                 
> 
> 	apparently indicating HEH-15
>  
> 	and
> 
> $	[note 3, p. 120] Atu XVII has the letter {HEB:Heh} in 
> $	the new Thelemic attribution. The Star is {Mercury} 
> $	(Chokmah), for He is the light of Binah, the naked 
> $	woman of the Atu. (Her arms make the Swastika; it is 
> $	the sign of the Mourning of Isis. Aleph is the Path 
> $	through which the light of Kether comes to Chokmah.  
> $	Cheth is said in the Zohar to interpret H; and Cheth 
> $	is the Path which conveys the Cup of Binah to the 
> $	Inferiors. {Mercury} Unites H and Vau, for they are  
> $	{Sulphur} and {Salt} (V = the Kerub of {Spirit}).
> 
> $	  December 10, 1909.  7:40-9:40 p.m.
> 
> 	which is succinct in mentioning "the new Thelemic
> 	attribution": conventional imagery for Star, *and* 
> 	mentions it as on Key Scale 15: XVII-STAR-HEH-15
> 	while no zodiacal attribution is given.
> 
> 	this is the only mention I've found so far that is
> 	specific as regards "the new Thelemic attribution",
> 	and it confirms my assertions about the AC-SWITCH
> 	insofar as the Roman Number and Name are exchanged.
> 
> # or Liber Gradvvm Montis Abiegi (13)?
> 
> which I found at:
> 
> 	Graduum Montis Abiegni sub figura 13                               
> 	 (A Syllabus of the Steps Upon the Path)
> 	http://www.luckymojo.com/crowley/013gmabiegni.txt  
> 
> 	in which I saw no mention of any Tarot or related
> 	attributionals.

well, yes related attributionals and no Tarot. there *iz* thee path ov 
Tzaddi /pictured/ and obliquely referred to here and there:
http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/images/large-abiegnus.jpg

path of Tzaddi iz labelled 'meditation practice on the exapansion of 
consciousness:'
does this go with Aries or Aquarius in your book? neither? both?

neither teth or lamed are pictured, so we can leave them alone ;)


> 
> # if no support, how would your theory modify/ illumine these books?
> 
> interestingly it appears to confirm Liber Tzaddi completely,
> and it seems that the relevant aspect of such confirmation
> will come with temporal assignment to expressions. since the
> text *and* commentary of Liber 418 are dated (many of the
> other texts/files I've referenced are reprints and therefore
> have identifiable timestamp), this is one of the more 
> important discoveries for the purposes of supporting the 
> Thothbook's ciphered Tables of Correspondence, p. 278.
> 
> thank you for encouraging me to look them up. I'll readily
> peruse any other of Crowley's works for data on tarotic
> attribution, and if they are dated as well this will be
> helpful in tracking his most recent expressions on the
> matter and discerning how his conclusions changed over time.
> 
> 333
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> ref
> 	"The Book of Thoth", by Crowley, Weiser, 1944+.
> 
> 	"Liber Tzaddi"
> 	 http://www.luckymojo.com/avidyana/plebe/libertzaddi.txt


and what of Liber Tzaddi (the 'original' received 1911 ev) itself? You 
know the 'Book of the Secret Fishhook'? 
http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib90.html

This book abounds in /Arian/ not Aquarian imagery for the most part.

By the way, I relied on H. Alpha's preface in The Holy Books (1983) for 
the dates given above.

Thanks for the reply, nigris/ 333.

gg


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g0rg30u5_g0rd0n wrote:
> 333 wrote:
> 
>> 50040107 vii om -- Liber Tzaddi Confirmed in Liber 418!

> Thanks for the reply, nigris/ 333.
> 
> gg
> 

a few more tzaddi- heh references (sorry if i am repeating quotes 
already noted):

de arte alchymystica: digamma kappa, liber aleph:
> Wilt thou acquaint thyself now further at my Reproof concerning this Arcanum of Alchymia, the Art
> Egyptian, how to make Gold? Of a Surety this is already in thy Knowledge, if thou examine by Our Holy
> Qabalah, what be the Forces that are the Influx upon Tiphereth, which is the Harmony and Beauty, or Sol, in
> every Kingdom of the Universe, so then also among Metals. Now this Influx is Fivefold. First, from the
> Crown descendeth the High Priestess in the Path of the Moon, for Inspiration, and Imagination, and Idea: see
> to it that this Virgin be Pure, for herein Error is Illusion. Next, from the Father floweth the Virtue of the
> /Star in the Path of the Water Bearer,/ for Initiative, and Energy, and Determination in the Innermost. Third, from the Mother are
> the Lovers in the Path of the Twins, for Intellectual Wholeness, and for Adjustment to Environment. These
> Three are from this Superna and complete the Theorick of hy Work. After this, in the Praxis and Executive
> thereof hou hast the Hermit as an Influence from the Sphere of Jupiter in the Path of the Virgin, for Secrecy,
> and for Concentration, and for Prudence. Lastly, from the Sphere of Mars, travelleth Justice in the Path of the
> Balance, for good Judgment, and Tact, and Art. O my Son, in this Chapter is more wisdom than in Ten
> Thousand Folios of the Alchemists! Study therefore to acquire Skill in this Method, and Experience; for this
> Gold is not only of the Metals, but of every Sphere, and this Key is of virtue to enter every Palace of
> Perfection.


de viro: episilon omega, liber aleph:

> Learn now that this Lion is a natural Quality in Man, and secret, so that he is not ware thereof, except he be
> Adept. Therefore is it necessary for thee also to know, by the Head of the Sphinx. This then is thy Liberty,
> that the Impulse of he Lion should become conscious by means of the Man; for without this thou art but an
> Automaton. This Man moreover maketh thee to understand and to adjust thyself with Environment, else
> being devoid of Judgment, thou goest blindly upon an headlong Path. For every Star in his Orbit holdeth not
> his Way obstinately, but is sensitive to every other Star, and his true Nature is to do this. Oh how many are
> they whom I have seen persisting in a fatal Course, in Sway of the Belief that their dead Rigidity was
> Exercise of Will. And the /Letter of the Man is Tzaddi,/ whose Number is Ninety; which is Maim, the Water
> that conformeth itself perfectly with its Vessel, that seeketh constantly its Level, that penetrateth and
> dissolveth Earth, that resisteth Pressure maugre its Adaptability, that being heated is the Force to drive great
> Engines, and being frozen breaketh the Mountains in Pieces. O my Son, seek well to know!

(my empaphasis added in both cases, for clarity/ brevity)

/both/ electronic copies I have (one from hermetic.com) *curiously* 
differ (just the chapter digamma kappa) from the 1991 Weiser Liber Aleph 
versions I have, and read:


my comment to de viro: 'the Man' Kerub? Or 'the Man' Emperor? the 
context suggests the former certainly, but does not square very well /at 
all/ with previous attributions of Man Kerub to Aquarius, the Star, and 
Heh. that said, 333's way of reckoning things would find support in de 
viro, as far as i can tell.


>  Next, from the Father floweth the Power of the Emperor in the Path of the Ram, for Initiative, and Energy, and Determination.

commentary to liber 65 ch. 3, v. 58 (pg 131 in new Eq. volume)
commentary to liber 65 ch. 5, v. 65 (pg 219 in new Eq. volume)

these two above mention Aquarius, the Star, and Heh going together.

and since you bothered to reply to my query 333, i will add the obvious: 
Liber 418 is positively /riddled/ with inconsistencies in re: Tzaddi-Heh 
attributions. no way around it. and further is the Liber (besides 
possibly the Thothbook) that most /strongly/ exhibits inconsistencies in 
these tzaddi-heh attributions.

gg



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correction to post:

a few more tzaddi- heh references (sorry if i am repeating quotes 
already noted):

de arte alchymystica: digamma kappa, liber aleph:
> Wilt thou acquaint thyself now further at my Reproof concerning this Arcanum of Alchymia, the Art
> Egyptian, how to make Gold? Of a Surety this is already in thy Knowledge, if thou examine by Our Holy
> Qabalah, what be the Forces that are the Influx upon Tiphereth, which is the Harmony and Beauty, or Sol, in
> every Kingdom of the Universe, so then also among Metals. Now this Influx is Fivefold. First, from the
> Crown descendeth the High Priestess in the Path of the Moon, for Inspiration, and Imagination, and Idea: see
> to it that this Virgin be Pure, for herein Error is Illusion. Next, from the Father floweth the Virtue of the
> /Star in the Path of the Water Bearer,/ for Initiative, and Energy, and Determination in the Innermost. Third, from the Mother are
> the Lovers in the Path of the Twins, for Intellectual Wholeness, and for Adjustment to Environment. These
> Three are from this Superna and complete the Theorick of hy Work. After this, in the Praxis and Executive
> thereof hou hast the Hermit as an Influence from the Sphere of Jupiter in the Path of the Virgin, for Secrecy,
> and for Concentration, and for Prudence. Lastly, from the Sphere of Mars, travelleth Justice in the Path of the
> Balance, for good Judgment, and Tact, and Art. O my Son, in this Chapter is more wisdom than in Ten
> Thousand Folios of the Alchemists! Study therefore to acquire Skill in this Method, and Experience; for this
> Gold is not only of the Metals, but of every Sphere, and this Key is of virtue to enter every Palace of
> Perfection.



de viro: episilon omega, liber aleph:

> Learn now that this Lion is a natural Quality in Man, and secret, so that he is not ware thereof, except he be
> Adept. Therefore is it necessary for thee also to know, by the Head of the Sphinx. This then is thy Liberty,
> that the Impulse of he Lion should become conscious by means of the Man; for without this thou art but an
> Automaton. This Man moreover maketh thee to understand and to adjust thyself with Environment, else
> being devoid of Judgment, thou goest blindly upon an headlong Path. For every Star in his Orbit holdeth not
> his Way obstinately, but is sensitive to every other Star, and his true Nature is to do this. Oh how many are
> they whom I have seen persisting in a fatal Course, in Sway of the Belief that their dead Rigidity was
> Exercise of Will. And the /Letter of the Man is Tzaddi,/ whose Number is Ninety; which is Maim, the Water
> that conformeth itself perfectly with its Vessel, that seeketh constantly its Level, that penetrateth and
> dissolveth Earth, that resisteth Pressure maugre its Adaptability, that being heated is the Force to drive great
> Engines, and being frozen breaketh the Mountains in Pieces. O my Son, seek well to know!



(my emphasis added in both cases, for clarity/ brevity)

/both/ electronic copies I have (one from hermetic.com) *curiously* 
differ (just the chapter digamma kappa) from the 1991 Weiser Liber Aleph 
versions I have, and read:

 > Next, from the Father floweth the Power of the Emperor in the Path of 
 > the Ram, for Initiative, and Energy, and Determination.

my comment to de viro: 'the Man' Kerub? Or 'the Man' Emperor? the 
context suggests the former certainly, but does not square very well /at 
all/ with previous attributions of Man Kerub to Aquarius, the Star, and 
Heh. that said, 333's way of reckoning things would find support in de 
viro, as far as i can tell.

commentary to liber 65 ch. 3, v. 58 (pg 131 in new Eq. volume)
commentary to liber 65 ch. 5, v. 65 (pg 219 in new Eq. volume)

these two above mention Aquarius, the Star, and Heh going together.

and since you bothered to reply to my query 333, i will add the obvious: 
Liber 418 is positively /riddled/ with inconsistencies in re: Tzaddi-Heh 
attributions. no way around it. and further is the Liber (besides 
possibly the Thothbook) that most /strongly/ exhibits inconsistencies in 
these tzaddi-heh attributions.

gg