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Qabalah or Numerology?

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.divination,alt.magick
From: F.(I.)N. (666)333 
Subject: Re: Qabalah or Numerology?
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 07:30:18 GMT

50030901 viii

"Jim Shannon"  wrote in message
#> ...a friend on [is] using letters and numbers a 
#> basic A=1 set. 

the "basic A=1 set" is not generally gematria.

#> For instance: Since I show that PLATO has values 
#> of P=16, L=12, A=1, T=4, and O=15, and that these 
#> Letters form a formula of 
#> 		P*L*A*T*O = 16*12*1*4*15 = 11,520,

not generally numerology (which adds letters in names,
rather than multiplying them).

#> I have established esoteric values.  In each of these 
#> cases I have established or "decrypted" "hidden truths" 
#> set against the words by establishing numerical values 
#> set against the exact same code.


#> Is this work Qabalah or does it fall under the realm 
#> of numerology?

"Qabalah" is more than mere numerolinguistics. the term
'numerology' doesn't usually include multiplication. 

"Frater SG" :
# Because of the simplicity of the numbering system I'd 
# call it Numberology.

nice term.

# If he were using one of the more complex Gematria 
# systems then it would be Qabalah. 

or part of somebody's Qabalah.

# Crowley used the Hebrew letters and number 
# associations even when decoding English words. 

+ Greek

# There will always be a fault in using a straight A=1
# system as our modern alphabet has far more characters 
# than the original Latin or Greek.

I don't follow the logic of this.

# One should also keep in mind that many Gematric systems 
# do not enumerate the letters evenly or in the same 
# pattern as an English A=1 system would. 

strictly false. A=1...  K=20, ... T=200 IS gematria by
the Ulian Schemata. however, your apparent intent was
to contrast this with A=1...K=11, ... T=20 ... Z=26,
which is indeed different.

# For example, in Greek you would have Alpha=1, Beta=2, 
# Gamma=3 and in Hebrew you get Teth=9, Yod=10, Kaph=20, 
# Lamed=30, etc...

indeed. any alphabet could be used to achieve this.

# Remember that Gematria is an artificial system 

is A=1 ... Z=26 a natural system?

# so you have to decode messages using the same 
# system by which they were created.

a cypher, yes.

f.i. nigris

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