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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.religion.angels,alt.pagan.magick,alt.magick,alt.paranet.metaphysics,talk.religion.newage From: nagasivaSubject: Communicating Agent Taxonomy Discussion Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:58:51 GMT here we go again! ;> 50030724 viii REVISED COMMUNICATION AGENT TAXONOMY FOR DISCUSSION/CRITIQUE ------------------------------------------------------------- A. 'EXTERNAL' (not me) 1. Supersensible Intelligences --- presumed separate/external, beyond ordinary sensory perception anything not obvious to sensory perception that could communicate from beyond the receiver. e.g. other-dimensional beings, intelligent dwellers in a spiritual plane, sub-atomic quantum entities, etc. ---------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: strict materialists may deny the reality of this class. other obvious qualifiers here regardless of status would be ghosts, demons, spirits, angels, and gods. any co-resident or possessory intelligences such as an invoked or possessing spirit would be covered by class B:1 below. ----------------------------------------------------------- 2. Physical Complex Nervious Systems --- presumed separate/external, perceivable sentient beings ordinarily considered sentient: conscious and aware; presumed somehow capable of constructing a communication and delivering it through its chosen medium. e.g. humans, chimpanzees, dolphins, undiscovered life forms with these qualities, etc. ---------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: the reality of this class is usually not denied, but its ability to construct some kind of message for communicating may be refuted or presumed non-extant. ----------------------------------------------------------- 3. Physical Simple Nervous Systems --- presumed separate/external, perceivable nonsentient living beings ordinarily considered nonsentient: unconscious or unaware. e.g. mobile and lowly such as insects or slugs; or comparably static like trees or fungi. ---------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: the reality of this class is usually not a topic of debate except as it may qualify in an ability to construct communication. a fictional example that I can remember appears in some horror films where beings like insects develop sentience (as in groups of cockroaches or nests of ants). ----------------------------------------------------------- 4. Physical Objects/Phenomena presumed separate/external, perceivable nonsentient objects mobile objects used as vehicles or somehow propelled by other means. e.g. things as diverse as ships and clouds and electrons, or comparably static objects like books and mountains. ---------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: again, the reality of these objects is usually presupposed, but their ability to have interior experiences and to generate communication is typically disputed. ----------------------------------------------------------- B. INTERNAL 1. Physical Body Portions/Symbiotes/Parasites presumed PARTIAL/INTERNAL, specially-recognized communication portions of the receiver as well as many agents not ordinarily perceivable without specialized equipment or during special procedures as during an operation, x-ray, etc. e.g. one's arm (as in 'muscle-testing'), an internal organ such as a kidney, or separable biological organisms that reside internal to the receiver's body such as intestinal flora, a tick lodged subcutaneously, or a tape worm. also ordinarily supersensible beings like an invading possessory spirit would quality here. ---------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: the reality of this class is often, but not always presupposed, depending upon their character (the supersensible may or may not be, for example). their ability to have separate interior experiences and to generate communication may be disputed based on the lack of a complex or separate nervous system (whether due to their partial or unevolved nature or because they transcend physicality). ----------------------------------------------------------- 2. Imaginary Beings/Objects presumed INHERENT/INTERNAL, selectively-perceivable figments beings and objects fabricated by some portion of the mind of the individual with whom it communicates. e.g. multiple-personality disorder; or concepts of self-deception such as delusions or imaginary beings (such as how 'imaginary playmates', perhaps all of category 1, are seen by strict materialists). ---------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: the reality of this class is often disputed, especially in an ontological sense; inasmuch as the aspect of the individual is capable of acting independently, so is there allowance made for the facet of the receiver to construct communications that may appear to the receiver ONLY to be somehow separate from hir self and consciousness. ----------------------------------------------------------- I tried to integrate what we have both already discussed, moved away from the 'real/unreal' dichotomy somewhat (leaving that for the cosmological intrusion), and attempted to settle into a consensual and inclusive spectrum of the universe. I'm also responding to your suggested taxonomy below. "angelicusrex" : # 1. Primary Specially Sensed Communication Agent: (That which founded and # supports the physical and/or other types of universes i.e. spiritual, # transdimensional, unseen, unknown; and which was not created, not formed # from any "thing" seen or unseen, and yet is intelligent, having existence # within, through and around all other things). {God, the Source, The Prime # Mover, The Infinite Mind, the One, The All, What Is, Was And Will Be, etc}. cosmological inasmuch as relation to the real is specified. we're talking supersensible regardless of what is there. # 2. Specially Sensed or normally immaterial real agents: (noncorporeal # entities existing outside the confines of the mind and body of sentient # physical beings). {Gods, Archangels, Angels, Seraphim, Cherubim, Elohim, # archons, aeons, devas, genii, devils, demons, sprites, elves, fairies, # gnomes, animal totems, imaginary playmates, interdimensional beings etc.). I don't see much difference between your 1 and 2 here, ultimately, excepting what is agreed in terms of cosmology. I hope that I'm not being arbitrary here. # 3. Sensible agents: (Living beings). # A. Mobile sensible agents: (Living organisms which move through time and # space). {Higher and Lower Animals: birds, reptiles, mammals, plankton, # bacterium, parasites, space aliens, etc.). we differentiate here by virtue of "Higher/Lower" in a conventional manner that is useful. I've continued to use this distinction above. # B. Apparently immobile sensible agents: (Living organisms which are # rooted to one spot, relative to our awareness). {Trees, bushes, plants of # various sorts) I conjoined "Lower Animals" with plants and other organisms into a mass that is typically not presumed to be able to speak to us in any perceivable way (i.e. the criteria for presumption is 'discernably regular communication'). # C. Special sensible mobile agents: (Nonliving special entities that # function and thrive through random contact with/and use of living # organisms).{Viruses or prions, protoplasm, ectoplasm, or other # manifestations which are produced as "matter" from living organisms or which # subsist or rely on same). some of these (C.) would not ordinarily be sensible with the eye. may I presume this is what you mean by 'special'? same as the first couple of categories. special techniques or technology for gaining access to sensing them (as appearance or specially- developed attunement, etc.) seems to be necessary. I like that distinction greatly and am not sure if I sufficiently paid attention to methods of sensory-perception (e.g. technology). # D. Sensible nonmobile, nonliving, tissues: (Organs such as the liver # or heart, etc. used to effect readings by others like shamans or pirests, # etc. Human bones, chicken bones, sheep or other entrails, teeth, bile, # blood, mucous, feathers, scutes or scales, skins, hair, fingernails, etc. # Also includes tea leaves, sticks, cast stones, etc.). this is a lovely category and I tried to cover it by establishing class-set A./B. and in particular B:1 above. see if I did it justice. # 4. Mass/Energy sensible agents: (Nonliving, non protoplasmic, mobile waves # and energetically produced or generated particles. Photons, Electrons, # Atoms, Molecules, radioactive waves, radio or television waves, plasma # energy, suns, stars, moons, plaentoids, asteroids, comets, meteors, planets, # dark matter, metals, liquids, gases, rocks, crystals, etc.) # 5. Constructed/Manufactured sensible agents: ( Devices manufactured by # sentient beings for communications with the otherwise or usually non-sensed # world, subconscious or unconscious mind) {Magic 8 Balls, tarot cards, # astrology charts, I Ching coins, Televisions, talking cars, toasters, # computers, boats, or any type of machinery both mechanical and/or electronic # in nature}. --------------------------- your 'real' stops here I tried to put all the 'ordinarily noncommunicating objects' together based on conventional notions of what can talk or generate conversation. from there cosmology distinguishes, based on what can and cannot communicate. # 6. Mentally created unreal agents (mental or visual illusions created by # the minds of sentient physical beings). {Including but not limited to: # Fictional constructs, characters from books, movies, plays, dreams, visions, # drug induced hallucinations, daydreams or play). I'm inclined to agree that 'illusions' and 'real/unreal' distinctions will not be useful for inclusivity. I think to be inclusive discerning is valuable only WHERE they are and how they relate to the receiver of the communication (thus my new taxonomy focusses on these types of differences and takes them into account). # David St. Albans 2003, all rights reserved. Please leave this copyright # notice on the original list, attached to any other revisions or deletions, # etc. Thank you. feel free to do what you like with my text here. my aim is to brainstorm and care little for constraint beyond proper attribution in quotation and republishing. nagasiva
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