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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.tantra,alt.magick.sex,alt.consciousness.mysticism,alt.religion.sexuality,relcom.arts.magick From: nagasiva@luckymojo.com (nagasiva yronwode) Subject: Sex and Mysticism (was Sex Magick?) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 05:40:04 GMT 50001106 Vom "scot": > I have heard about sex Magick, notably about it's use for > increasing [spirituality]. usually attempting spiritual achievements, when associated with spirituality at all. > I have also heard it justfies promiscuity (sleeping with lots of > partners rather than one) as a method to gain [spiritual] awareness? promiscuity is not necessary to justify, though some condemn it. usually the practitioners do not describe promiscuity as a factor in gaining spiritual awareness, though some Taoists (vampiric) do seem to associate the two. > If this is true, would lust not affect spirituality? How could a > person know if he is driven by the need of [spiritual] harmony or > lust? some magicians think that lust (for results) is poor form, yes. why not a lust for spiritual harmony? why need they be different? what do you think that spiritual harmony is? if your lust is quenched, then does this demonstrate that you were not aiming for spiritual harmony? > I guess my interest in it is guided by lust, I don't know. I have > gained bliss through sex notably the feeling of melting into > oneness with my partner. this is somewhat different than the bliss of mysticism, which lasts longer and is associated less with certain actions. it may be spiritual, but it isn't spirituality entire. > I don't know if it is spiritual contentment or just physical > pleasure. I need to know. you'd know it by how long it lasts and whether it is associated with sex per se. spiritual contentment tends to outlast all other impressions, proceeds from intentional activities (indulgences, disciplines), and is evident in the composure and intensity of the individual who is experiencing it. if your experience is what is called 'afterglow', then you will experience a 'high' period for a day or a few days after a sexual encounter. this is normal healthy sex. hopefully your partner(s) experienced this too. >I need help to seperate the facts from fiction. >Can anybody help? neo-tantrics will at times fail to distinguish between ordinary sexuality and sexuality put to spiritual ends. in some cases this is intentional deception (in which case I'd describe it as sex education masquerading as tantra) and in others just a misunderstanding of spirituality (neo-tantra masquerading as tantra). ordinary sex can include ecstatic and intensely pleasurable experiences. this is wonderful as long as the consenting parties are able to prevent unwanted pregnancy (such as with vasectomies!) and the transmission of diseases (such as with occasional testing of those who have multiple partners, getting recommendations, and clear communication). this is becoming easier every day with sex education and forums where frank discussion about sex can occur. mysticism is different from ordinary experiences, as it is typically explained and experienced. its ecstatic experiences are supposed to result in profound shifts in consciousness, reconditioning of the personality, and, according to many religious mystics, some transcendental reality is altered or becomes perceivable to the individual who experiences these profound changes. typically this is interpreted within some religious cosmology, but not always is this the case. in other words, mystical experiences are often life-changing events. if you notice that you or your sexual partner(s) make fundamental changes in your life goals, behaviour, or otherwise demonstrate a shift in day-to-day perceptions and values after a particularly intense sexual encounter, then you may have had some kind of mystical experience during sex. this is not completely unmentioned within mystical literature (as the Zen Buddhist boboroshi, known for experiencing what is called 'satori' during sex with prostitutes, exemplifies). fuck yes nagasiva -- FREE HOODOO CATALOGUE! send street address to: catalogue@luckymojo.com mailto:nagasiva@luckymojo.com ; http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html ; mailto:boboroshi@satanservice.org ; http://www.satanservice.org/ emailed replies may be posted; cc replies if response desired
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