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Numbers, Hex Generation Methods and I Ching

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.divination,alt.philosophy.taoism
From: lday@pathcom.com (lawrence day)
Subject: Re: Numbers, Hex Generation Methods and I Ching (was ...Coin Method)
Date: 26 Apr 2002 08:20:45 -0700

xiwangmu  wrote in message news:...
> 50020425 VI
> 
> lday@pathcom.com (lawrence day):
> >>> as also in the Loshu. 
> 
> mu: 
> >> 15 in rows and columns of that 492 (294?) magic square of Saturn, 
> >> indeed.
> 
> lday@pathcom.com (lawrence day):
> > 492
> > 357
> > 816
> > The Luo Tablet, also known as the Nine Palaces.
> 
> that's the one.
> 
> > I didn't know it was related to Saturn.
> 
> through Agrippa and numerous Western occultists.

The most curious place I've seen it is up on a wall in Toronto's
city hall. The civil servants use it somehow to organize 
who does what fairly.
> 
> > The 2 is in the upper right corner
> > corresponding to kun in the pa kua
> > cyclical arrangement.
> 
> interestingly enough, I've seen more than one version of
> this in Chinese treatises, which was why I mentioned "296?". :>
> is the orientation necessary?

Yes, to correlate  the numbers and symbols.
Our planetary direction of spin is
(hopefully;) a constant.
> 
> > According to Shao Yung the numbers come first, they generate
> > the 'forms'/symbols and the symbols generate concrete things.
> 
> cosmology, right.
> 
> > ...why the loshu has 492 instead of 294. If you take the cyclical 
> > pa kua arrangement and correlate it with the numbers you find
> > for example the active yang 3 on the Eastern horizon, matching 
> > Chen as beginnings, dawn, spring, I suppose Aries in the zodiac.. 
> > So perhaps the symbol is drawn from observed nature and not to 
> > easy to 'mirror'.
> 
> 3/East/Aries/Dawn/Spring got it. so if someone's associations
> changed, all this might change too. compare the 'Earlier' and
> 'Later' Heaven Arrangements in I Ching, for example.

In my opinion the 'Earlier' sequence, showing the symbols 
in polarity, is useful for defining them or learning their meanings.
Jungians like it for resolving dualities.
However it is theoretical and abstract.

The 'Later' sequence shows how things work in the
phenomenal, cyclic 'real' world. 

Associations might change,
say if one worked the night shift then waking up wouldn't
necessarily correspond to dawn, but in general it is useful.
Also the sequence is the same: noon is going to follow dawn,
dusk follow noon and midnight follow dusk to a new dawn. 
This part, the 'sequence',
is quite constant and predictable regardless of when one wakes up.

Shao Yung's predictions were famously accurate,
yet he denied they were based in 'magic' or 'divination'
but more like 'science': that nature follows principles
and if one knows the nature and the principles
then the destiny/fate/outcome can be calculated.

In a way he was China's Newton. His book may
well have inspired 'Principia Mathematica'
and all of calculus. According to Noah Webster 'calculus'
is a method of calculating based on numbers and symbols.
Shao represents the Taoist school of 'Symbols and Numbers'
where he got his training.

Taoism just inherited 'science' as an orphan
since the Confucians and Buddhists 
didn't want to have anything to do with it!

For the Taoists it was amusing.

--lawrence

 
> 
> mu

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