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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.magick,alt.lucky.w From: catherine yronwodeSubject: Re: Magic Squares Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:51:17 GMT Seyfert-1 wrote: > > 50031227 vii om > > "S R" : > > # I must say Magick Squares are very interesting. > # But a little complicated. I wonder if their is > # a book just on Magick Squares? > > there are several. one of them is by W.S. Andrews > ("Magic Squares and Cubes") and is a classic. I've > enjoyed reading through these and examining the > more complex and astounding selections than > were made for Agrippa and the Golden Dawn symbols. I too recommend "Magic Squares and Cubes," edited by W. S. Andrews, to anyone interested in the mathemagical aspects of this byway of occultism. It was first published in 1911 or so, but has been reprinted numerous times and should be quite easy to locate aa copy through a library or to purchase it online via amazon. It is not about occultism per se, but it sets the necessary groundwork for understand the topic -- and thus to uncover why magic squares have been and continue to be so important to certain mages. There is also a lengthy colloquium on the subject of the relationship between magic squares and magic archived online at http://www.netmastersinc.com/secrets/magic_squares.htm that may interest you. The major contributor is Mark Swaney, and the forum in which the discussion was originally hosted was the Sacred Landscape elist, an open forum founded in 1995 to deal with such interdisciplinary studies as the relationship between religious belief-sets and architecture, between natural landscape forms and myth, between magic and geometry, and between mathematics and cosmologies. The Sacred Landscape elist is currently operated through yahoogroups, and although the older posts from its pre-Yahoo message base as a University of North Carolina elist (called sustag-principles there, for bureaucratic reasons) or as a private listserv elist called space-list (for equally obscure reasons) are not archived at Yahoo, you can always join and bring up the topic of magic squares and get some new responses, for the topic is an area of perennial interest in the elist. > # Do every planet has a Magick Square? Every one of the planets visible to the unaided eye does. > that depends on what tradition you follow. older > systems don't include all the Planets because the > ancients couldn't see Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, > for example. I'm not sure before Agrippa, but in > Agrippa they are attributed to Planets as follows > > SQUARE ORDER --- PLANET > ------------------------- > 3 --- SATURN > 4 --- JUPITER > 5 --- MARS > 6 --- SUN > 7 --- VENUS > 8 --- MERCURY > 9 --- MOON > > with consideration of modern occult Planets > one might extrapolate the following novelty: > > 3 --- PLUTO > 4 --- NEPTUNE > 5 --- URANUS > 6 --- SATURN > 7 --- JUPITER > 8 --- MARS > 9 --- SUN > 10 --- VENUS > 11 --- MERCURY > 12 --- MOON > > based on the mean motility from Terra, > and thereafter achieve natural resonance. As is his wont, nagasiva goes full tilt for the destruction of historic forms in light of new scientific knowledge. :-) I personally find that approach valueless, and feel that for me it is sufficient to study and utilize the system as it was written, with SEVEN "sacred planets" and SEVEN "sacred magic squares." My reasoning for this is that the magic squares find some use in planetary magic, and in that context they are linked to the days of the week and convey a significant amount of historical resonance and symbolic richness to magical works performed on each day. We have not added three new days of the week since the discovery of Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, so to add three more "sacred squares" with or without displacement of the existing weekday attributions of the planets and their squares seems bootless to me since there would be no days of the week to work the new squares magically. Your mileage may vary. > # And can one simply create a unique Magick Square > # by playing around with math & graphs? > > yes, there are techniques for constructing them, > families, first divided up in even/odd groups and > thence distributed depending on method of construct. See the W. S. Andrews compilation for numerous methods of construction, including a novel method devised by Benjamin Franklin, Freemason, Printer, and Patriot. cat yronwode
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