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Becoming Immortal

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From: xiwangmu 
Subject: Becoming Immortal 
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:04:42 GMT

50030123 VII CKaos Day!

freak :
>> ...do you know where I can find information on how to 
>> become immortal? 

most religious tracts and cosmologies include data and techniques
for how to achieve this.

>> Do you know if there is such a spell?

the Pill of Immortality and the Stone of the Philosophers. a good
number of magicians are concerned with these in both literal and
symbolic varieties.

sri catyananda :
> I classify into three types the meaning of immortality as 
> considered by philosophers, mages, and religionists: 
>
> 1) immortality via resurrection in an afterlife.... 

this is the most common that I've found.

> 2) immortality in the present body, with or without aging.
>	Chinese Sexual Alchemy is one major magical discipline dealing 
>	with this technique, but be aware that youth per se is not 
>	valued by the Chinese, for old age is seen as a great treasure, 
>	so immortality in a Taoist context will mean millennia spent 
>	as an old person. Do a google search on Taoist sexual alchemy. 

"in the present body" seems mistaken here. usually the Taoist
alchemists presuppose the changing of the body into some kind
of 'untarnishable' or 'unchanging' (often 'Adamantine')
replacement body, either as the original person or supplanted
by a kind of Godchild.

> 3) Subjective immortality.
>	This is my term for the effect of a dilation of the time sense
>	through mental pleasure of an ecstatic sort, often induced by
>	drugs, sexual pleasure, trance, dance, etc. You're on your own
>	with this one. Have fun. Play safe. 

I never saw this hypothesis/interpretation before I created it.
if you have references on 'immortality' classed in this way I'd
like to examine its basis and see if I drew from it to create
my ideas about present-centered mysticism. thanks.

there's also:

4) Societal immortality.
	This is the usual substitute once the others have completely
	collapsed without basis or have been overlooked. It consists
	of attempting to make sure that one will somehow receive the
	attention of human civilizations in the years after one's
	death ('immortality by virtue of being remembered or having
	had influence upon human civilization').

and

5) Genetic immortality.
	This is the last holdout for the desperate: it consists in
	providing offspring so that's one's genetic strain will
	perpetuate beyond one's mortal coil.

mu

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